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**enactolaelant** · 02-10-2006, 06:35 PM

during meditation i studied the thought process and came to the conclusion that there are at least two steps of thinking.

I found several, too. It is interesting to follow the thoughts back to their origin.

"first there is the pure thought or the intention to think. i call it thought impulse. then after the thought impulse we write out the thought in full like we are thinking 'i must go to the shop', 'i have to eat something' and so on. during normal life were not aware of the first step but we are just 'hearing' the inner monologue. " Is the "thought impulse" without a language? I found that first, thoughts are there on several "layers" rising inside the mind before the normal wake consciousness is aware of them. And second that even before this happens the thoughts are there in a languageless form.

during meditation when i try to calm my mind i manage to prevent it from doing the second step but the thought impulse still comes. when this happens i just ignore it. Yes, I observed the same. For both trance and meditation is is sufficient to calm the surface (your "second step") but leave the thought impulse at it is.

so are you reaching a state where even the thought impulse doesnt come or is it sufficient just to prevent the second step? in my understanding it would be even dangerous to prevent the thought impulse because you would never think again... I experienced both so I think to prevent the thought impulse does not necessarily lead to a permanent cessation of all thoughts. But it might also be that I just cut off my awareness from the thought impulse. Truely, I do not know, but intuitively I would say that if you do not really want to stay thoughtless you won't be.

but maybe there is a step before the thought impulse that im not aware of yet. what do you say? I think the thoughts arise in the mind according to the personality. As long as there is a personality wake or dreaming the thoughts will rise and fall, When the personality is in deep sleep no thoughts arise. Observation of the thought impulse might be a bridge to the impersonal Witness state.

You might like this site I found just a few days ago:

http://www.sunyaprajna.com/Advaita/Atmananda.html

02-10-2006, 06:35 PM	#3
enactolaelant Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 512 Senior Member	during meditation i studied the thought process and came to the conclusion that there are at least two steps of thinking. I found several, too. It is interesting to follow the thoughts back to their origin. "first there is the pure thought or the intention to think. i call it thought impulse. then after the thought impulse we write out the thought in full like we are thinking 'i must go to the shop', 'i have to eat something' and so on. during normal life were not aware of the first step but we are just 'hearing' the inner monologue. " Is the "thought impulse" without a language? I found that first, thoughts are there on several "layers" rising inside the mind before the normal wake consciousness is aware of them. And second that even before this happens the thoughts are there in a languageless form. during meditation when i try to calm my mind i manage to prevent it from doing the second step but the thought impulse still comes. when this happens i just ignore it. Yes, I observed the same. For both trance and meditation is is sufficient to calm the surface (your "second step") but leave the thought impulse at it is. so are you reaching a state where even the thought impulse doesnt come or is it sufficient just to prevent the second step? in my understanding it would be even dangerous to prevent the thought impulse because you would never think again... I experienced both so I think to prevent the thought impulse does not necessarily lead to a permanent cessation of all thoughts. But it might also be that I just cut off my awareness from the thought impulse. Truely, I do not know, but intuitively I would say that if you do not really want to stay thoughtless you won't be. but maybe there is a step before the thought impulse that im not aware of yet. what do you say? I think the thoughts arise in the mind according to the personality. As long as there is a personality wake or dreaming the thoughts will rise and fall, When the personality is in deep sleep no thoughts arise. Observation of the thought impulse might be a bridge to the impersonal Witness state. You might like this site I found just a few days ago: http://www.sunyaprajna.com/Advaita/Atmananda.html
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