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**Eugen80** · 01-04-2006, 11:22 PM

Hi All,

Does anyone know how to distinguish between the different subtle bodies. I mean how do I know whether I am in the true astral or the real-time or a higher body?

As a teen I started with meditation and after a few months I suddenly found myself in aware sleep paralysis (at that time I didn't know there existed a name for it or that it is a rather common experience). Well, I got the usual "dweller on the threshold" pestering but as I am an atheist I just considered it a strange kind of lucid dream (I know lucid dreams since childhood) and tended to attack the dweller-monster by telekinesis (it does not always work in ASP just as it does not always work in dreams, at least for me). In any case the dweller changed strategy and came to me as my mother telling me to "not sleep so much" instead. At that time I thought this a proove that I was dreaming (as I checked if my mother had really come into my room afterwards). But reading "Astral Dynamics" now I found out that the dweller can take shape of a relative, too, and now I am not sure if this had been the astral or real time zone after all, as after some tries I was able to separate a second body from the one on the bed.

This is still the only way I got into a projection. I relax until I find myself in a paralysis, then try to shake a second body free, I usually can separate an arm first, then torso until I finally stand up. There are no vibrations or noises or other unpleasant sensations I read about, though. Sometimes I have problems with sight, I just id everything by touch (or by simply knowing where everything is). But I am also not very stable - once I ended up in the room how it had been years ago. But the dweller still appears (usually as a relative).

Does anyone know if these experiences are real astral or real time zone or are they lucid dreams of astral travel?

01-04-2006, 11:22 PM	#1
Eugen80 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 385 Senior Member	Subtle Bodies Hi All, Does anyone know how to distinguish between the different subtle bodies. I mean how do I know whether I am in the true astral or the real-time or a higher body? As a teen I started with meditation and after a few months I suddenly found myself in aware sleep paralysis (at that time I didn't know there existed a name for it or that it is a rather common experience). Well, I got the usual "dweller on the threshold" pestering but as I am an atheist I just considered it a strange kind of lucid dream (I know lucid dreams since childhood) and tended to attack the dweller-monster by telekinesis (it does not always work in ASP just as it does not always work in dreams, at least for me). In any case the dweller changed strategy and came to me as my mother telling me to "not sleep so much" instead. At that time I thought this a proove that I was dreaming (as I checked if my mother had really come into my room afterwards). But reading "Astral Dynamics" now I found out that the dweller can take shape of a relative, too, and now I am not sure if this had been the astral or real time zone after all, as after some tries I was able to separate a second body from the one on the bed. This is still the only way I got into a projection. I relax until I find myself in a paralysis, then try to shake a second body free, I usually can separate an arm first, then torso until I finally stand up. There are no vibrations or noises or other unpleasant sensations I read about, though. Sometimes I have problems with sight, I just id everything by touch (or by simply knowing where everything is). But I am also not very stable - once I ended up in the room how it had been years ago. But the dweller still appears (usually as a relative). Does anyone know if these experiences are real astral or real time zone or are they lucid dreams of astral travel?
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