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**Eugen80** · 01-11-2006, 05:39 PM

no i just dont think it is nice to remote "spy" on another i think we should ask before we sweep someone out onto the dance floor.

And what if it happens without intention? Like in sleep and you think you are dreaming?

But i will contact you on msn when i am online

Okay, but I still don't know how msn works. Do I have to open a window? Or "click" on something? (yes, I am behind the moon?

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Hmmm , i never thought of that ,i don't know ,what do you think on this ??

Me??? Okay, being the non-expert in these things I don't see a reason why not. I have read about some OBE's where the person was spooked by his or her own double (only found out it was a double later). Also RB wrote he found out about the mind-split by being in a trance, thinking the projection had failed until his double returned. So I think when we sense something around, even trying to enter us, during a failed projection it could well by no neg but our own double returning. And if this double had decided to hide itself for some reasons ...

What do you think? Can't you just try it? Make an experiment?

That is also about confronting the demon within and realising that evil is not attractive to you and that it needs to be destroyed by you too .

No, not quite. I mean I had no intention to balefire him at all. Just a headbashing and an interrogation.

Perhaps this could mean that you yourself were also surprised at your change of heart from flight to confrontation .

You mean, he mirrored my own surprise???

Perhaps this means that you must slow down and consider well to think more clearly but I feel this is all a classic dream and a sort of Freudian one but also a real spiritual visit to the Devil . How can it be both?

not really did you read the Pistia Sophia that is 2000 years old now . Not yet. I put it on the list

Is it gnostic ?

In it Christ says that Lucifer is him and Satan is Lucifer . In Revelation *Jesus* said he is Lucifer. There are several interpretaions possible.

That is confusing but I think he means that both of them are instruments of the rising light to bring humanity back to the path of righteousness . I believe demons are evil by definition and to be avoided and that they harm us horribly in the worse place in our soul more precious than our body . I just feel that the Jewish idea that Satan is the chief prosecutor obedient to God and part of the Lucifer plan is right and that the Post Christ offering that Satan is responsible for the darkness is wrong . WE are responsible for the darkness the evil in us and the demons around us . Not Satan he is the
Guardian of the lower plane called Hells by some and he is not a fallen angel but a strong archangel who is obedient to God . So now I will change the way I pray . I do not worship him he is not God . I just respect his love of God and the job he does . And I will continue to loath the demons inside of us and outside of us . They seek our ruin not Satan . He is the merciless punisher though and the deciever and the tempter but like all things he is made by God . I think everything was created by God. Good and evil, and especially everything we call good and evil. I mean, is a cat evil? Not for me, but ask the mouse tortured to death. I do not think that God shares our subjective morals that change over the years anyway.

In the OT satan is indeed described as an archangel and obedient to God. I do not know why Christians changed this lore. Satan, the adversary, was originally an adversary to humankind, not to God. Maybe it has to do with Jesus being simultaniously Son of God and Son of Man...

As to demons, I do not have enough experience with them. I call my emotions "my little demons". But I have no problem with them, I do not fracture them.

That is further proof that this was a spiritual journey a self examination and a confrontation of evil and a testing of your soul by you and by God to see who you are obedient to . I suggest to you that if you said you worshipped him he would punish you . If you said what will you give me
for following you he would condemn you and punish you severely . Well, the topic never came up between us anyway. And if ... I have a suspicion that as I was soooo sure he was an aspect of ME (I thought it was a lucid dream after all, I did not know about OBE at that time) I would probably have asked him instead what he would do so that I would not balefire him

I have a question regarding demons. You are an excorcist, right? Do you enjoy it?

01-11-2006, 05:39 PM	#11
Eugen80 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 385 Senior Member	no i just dont think it is nice to remote "spy" on another i think we should ask before we sweep someone out onto the dance floor. And what if it happens without intention? Like in sleep and you think you are dreaming? But i will contact you on msn when i am online Okay, but I still don't know how msn works. Do I have to open a window? Or "click" on something? (yes, I am behind the moon? ) Hmmm , i never thought of that ,i don't know ,what do you think on this ?? Me??? Okay, being the non-expert in these things I don't see a reason why not. I have read about some OBE's where the person was spooked by his or her own double (only found out it was a double later). Also RB wrote he found out about the mind-split by being in a trance, thinking the projection had failed until his double returned. So I think when we sense something around, even trying to enter us, during a failed projection it could well by no neg but our own double returning. And if this double had decided to hide itself for some reasons ... What do you think? Can't you just try it? Make an experiment? That is also about confronting the demon within and realising that evil is not attractive to you and that it needs to be destroyed by you too . No, not quite. I mean I had no intention to balefire him at all. Just a headbashing and an interrogation. Perhaps this could mean that you yourself were also surprised at your change of heart from flight to confrontation . You mean, he mirrored my own surprise??? Perhaps this means that you must slow down and consider well to think more clearly but I feel this is all a classic dream and a sort of Freudian one but also a real spiritual visit to the Devil . How can it be both? not really did you read the Pistia Sophia that is 2000 years old now . Not yet. I put it on the list Is it gnostic ? In it Christ says that Lucifer is him and Satan is Lucifer . In Revelation Jesus said he is Lucifer. There are several interpretaions possible. That is confusing but I think he means that both of them are instruments of the rising light to bring humanity back to the path of righteousness . I believe demons are evil by definition and to be avoided and that they harm us horribly in the worse place in our soul more precious than our body . I just feel that the Jewish idea that Satan is the chief prosecutor obedient to God and part of the Lucifer plan is right and that the Post Christ offering that Satan is responsible for the darkness is wrong . WE are responsible for the darkness the evil in us and the demons around us . Not Satan he is the Guardian of the lower plane called Hells by some and he is not a fallen angel but a strong archangel who is obedient to God . So now I will change the way I pray . I do not worship him he is not God . I just respect his love of God and the job he does . And I will continue to loath the demons inside of us and outside of us . They seek our ruin not Satan . He is the merciless punisher though and the deciever and the tempter but like all things he is made by God . I think everything was created by God. Good and evil, and especially everything we call good and evil. I mean, is a cat evil? Not for me, but ask the mouse tortured to death. I do not think that God shares our subjective morals that change over the years anyway. In the OT satan is indeed described as an archangel and obedient to God. I do not know why Christians changed this lore. Satan, the adversary, was originally an adversary to humankind, not to God. Maybe it has to do with Jesus being simultaniously Son of God and Son of Man... As to demons, I do not have enough experience with them. I call my emotions "my little demons". But I have no problem with them, I do not fracture them. That is further proof that this was a spiritual journey a self examination and a confrontation of evil and a testing of your soul by you and by God to see who you are obedient to . I suggest to you that if you said you worshipped him he would punish you . If you said what will you give me for following you he would condemn you and punish you severely . Well, the topic never came up between us anyway. And if ... I have a suspicion that as I was soooo sure he was an aspect of ME (I thought it was a lucid dream after all, I did not know about OBE at that time) I would probably have asked him instead what he would do so that I would not balefire him I have a question regarding demons. You are an excorcist, right? Do you enjoy it?
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