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**pseusawbappem** · 12-13-2005, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by question Thanks everyone for the responses. What I meant by "external conciousness" was, if I went into the "astral" and talked to someone, would it be a real person or being, or would it be an aspect of my own manifestations. Like those who state the "astral" is only "your mind", therefore you aren't talking to your friend or other spirits, you can't interact with "other" "people". You know what I mean? But a lot of it is starting to come together, thanks. I guess it really is all just terminology.

The phasing approach doesn't actually mean the astral only exists in your mind. It means external reality also exists in your mind. By this I mean, external reality is simply another point (locale/focus level) on the spectrum of consciousness. When we go OBE, we simply move our attention to another point on this spectrum of consiousness.
The reason the phasing model says we don't leave our body, is due to it's perception of what reality is. Reality is a mind construct based upon certain perceptions (inputs), so even if we move out of body, we are still within a mind construct - we have simply shifted our awarness slightly away from the 'reality' location of this spectrum. ah, though I read Frank's website thing and he says "the astral" (what he calls focus two) does not proove life after death. And the crew of followers seem to look down upon the "neg" concept, saying if you believe they can't hurt you they can't...because they're only your manifestations, no individual entities outside your very subconcious mind. I've seen often how focus 2 is refferred to as "the individual's subconcious mind."

12-13-2005, 10:39 AM	#11
pseusawbappem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	Originally Posted by question Thanks everyone for the responses. What I meant by "external conciousness" was, if I went into the "astral" and talked to someone, would it be a real person or being, or would it be an aspect of my own manifestations. Like those who state the "astral" is only "your mind", therefore you aren't talking to your friend or other spirits, you can't interact with "other" "people". You know what I mean? But a lot of it is starting to come together, thanks. I guess it really is all just terminology. The phasing approach doesn't actually mean the astral only exists in your mind. It means external reality also exists in your mind. By this I mean, external reality is simply another point (locale/focus level) on the spectrum of consciousness. When we go OBE, we simply move our attention to another point on this spectrum of consiousness. The reason the phasing model says we don't leave our body, is due to it's perception of what reality is. Reality is a mind construct based upon certain perceptions (inputs), so even if we move out of body, we are still within a mind construct - we have simply shifted our awarness slightly away from the 'reality' location of this spectrum. ah, though I read Frank's website thing and he says "the astral" (what he calls focus two) does not proove life after death. And the crew of followers seem to look down upon the "neg" concept, saying if you believe they can't hurt you they can't...because they're only your manifestations, no individual entities outside your very subconcious mind. I've seen often how focus 2 is refferred to as "the individual's subconcious mind."
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