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**flnastyax** · 12-13-2005, 04:40 PM

ah, though I read Frank's website thing and he says "the astral" (what he calls focus two) does not proove life after death. And the crew of followers seem to look down upon the "neg" concept, saying if you believe they can't hurt you they can't...because they're only your manifestations, no individual entities outside your very subconcious mind. I've seen often how focus 2 is refferred to as "the individual's subconcious mind."

In Franks model, he classes F2 as a form of self created astral realm (perhaps the place where lucid dreaming occurs?) But he classes F3 as what most would consider the 'astral proper', perhaps the same as Monroe's F27 - the place where people go when they die. He thinks that people can meet other projectors or entities in F3.
I'm not sure I agree with his theory of F2 being totally self generated, but I have a feeling that kind of view of negs might be true ie something can only have control over you if you let it (even if untentionally through fear), Monroe said similar regarding the astral body could not be destroyed or harmed (in Ultimate Journeys).

12-13-2005, 04:40 PM	#12
flnastyax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	ah, though I read Frank's website thing and he says "the astral" (what he calls focus two) does not proove life after death. And the crew of followers seem to look down upon the "neg" concept, saying if you believe they can't hurt you they can't...because they're only your manifestations, no individual entities outside your very subconcious mind. I've seen often how focus 2 is refferred to as "the individual's subconcious mind." In Franks model, he classes F2 as a form of self created astral realm (perhaps the place where lucid dreaming occurs?) But he classes F3 as what most would consider the 'astral proper', perhaps the same as Monroe's F27 - the place where people go when they die. He thinks that people can meet other projectors or entities in F3. I'm not sure I agree with his theory of F2 being totally self generated, but I have a feeling that kind of view of negs might be true ie something can only have control over you if you let it (even if untentionally through fear), Monroe said similar regarding the astral body could not be destroyed or harmed (in Ultimate Journeys).
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