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**Shemker394** · 12-14-2005, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by edubz Hi, I think you mis understood me. What I said I open the door and it was solid, I didnt mean it moved in our 3-d reality. What I meant was, while OBE I had to open the door with my hands to get out of my room.

Hi ebudz..!

An Out of Body Experience (OBE) doesn't the same than a Lucid Dream. You can Astral Project outside your body, beginning a typical OBE or APing.

When APing, I've proven with a high degree of certitude I cannot exert mechanical action (described as hand-to-object influence) on a physical object.

If when APing, I lost control of my mind giving freedom to my visual imagination I'll fall in a Lucid Dreaming pool where anything I shall imagine is possible. Specially: hand-to-"apparently physical objects" action. That's say at a Lucid Dream I've all the capabilities when I'm APing plus the capabilities I've when I'm at physical plane.

I think edubz, IMHO, and if any moderator or site administrator wants to witness about contrary, PLEASE post reliable opinion, you has some conceptual uncertainties. I advice, you review carefully and experimentally like myself your experiences. Of sure, you or one of your friends has a camcorder for you as you can ask for your help... and then proceed like myself in order to test feasibility of your claims.

My sincere apologies if I'm wrong...

My best regards...
Natalia Parker
well after having a discusion with others about this "real time zone" I would think it should not be called real time zone, I look up etheric plane and found some helpful info.

http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/db/hdb-12.shtml

Now, just like on the physical plane, on the etheric plane you will possess a body. This body is very similar to your physical one, and it will feel and react nearly the same. We call this body your dream-body (or in out of body terms it is also known as your Mach-1 nonphysical body). This dream-body is very dense and very physical like -- again to minimize disorientation going from one plane to another and from one body form to another. You can levitate in this body, and travel more quickly than you do in your physical body. Objects and walls will appear solid while you are in this body.

ok, so now I think I understand. Because before I was able to do it, I figured I could walk through walls and stuff. I guess this is NOT that case.

12-14-2005, 08:00 AM	#4
Shemker394 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	Originally Posted by edubz Hi, I think you mis understood me. What I said I open the door and it was solid, I didnt mean it moved in our 3-d reality. What I meant was, while OBE I had to open the door with my hands to get out of my room. Hi ebudz..! An Out of Body Experience (OBE) doesn't the same than a Lucid Dream. You can Astral Project outside your body, beginning a typical OBE or APing. When APing, I've proven with a high degree of certitude I cannot exert mechanical action (described as hand-to-object influence) on a physical object. If when APing, I lost control of my mind giving freedom to my visual imagination I'll fall in a Lucid Dreaming pool where anything I shall imagine is possible. Specially: hand-to-"apparently physical objects" action. That's say at a Lucid Dream I've all the capabilities when I'm APing plus the capabilities I've when I'm at physical plane. I think edubz, IMHO, and if any moderator or site administrator wants to witness about contrary, PLEASE post reliable opinion, you has some conceptual uncertainties. I advice, you review carefully and experimentally like myself your experiences. Of sure, you or one of your friends has a camcorder for you as you can ask for your help... and then proceed like myself in order to test feasibility of your claims. My sincere apologies if I'm wrong... My best regards... Natalia Parker well after having a discusion with others about this "real time zone" I would think it should not be called real time zone, I look up etheric plane and found some helpful info. http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/db/hdb-12.shtml Now, just like on the physical plane, on the etheric plane you will possess a body. This body is very similar to your physical one, and it will feel and react nearly the same. We call this body your dream-body (or in out of body terms it is also known as your Mach-1 nonphysical body). This dream-body is very dense and very physical like -- again to minimize disorientation going from one plane to another and from one body form to another. You can levitate in this body, and travel more quickly than you do in your physical body. Objects and walls will appear solid while you are in this body. ok, so now I think I understand. Because before I was able to do it, I figured I could walk through walls and stuff. I guess this is NOT that case.
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