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**voodoosdv** · 11-11-2005, 09:39 AM

Hello Natalie.

It's a great pleasure to read your posts. I admire how rigourously and carefully you have experimented, and how much you obviously want to get to the facts and truths of the matter.

Here are some enjoyable quotes..

...rigourously controlled experiments...

An Out of Body Experience (OBE) doesn't the same than a Lucid Dream. You can Astral Project outside your body, beginning a typical OBE or APing.

When APing, I've proven with a high degree of certitude I cannot exert mechanical action (described as hand-to-object influence) on a physical object.

...review carefully and experimentally like myself your experiences... to test feasibility of your claims.

I have some questions for you. In reviewing other OBE journals, as well as my experiences and journals, I am learning it is possible many people who think that they are going out-of-body are dreaming.

I had two experiences last week I thought were projections, but it was shown to me by someone good at OBE that they were dreams/hallucinations, that only seemed like OBEs!

My question Natalie, how do you project into a true OBE, and not into a lucid dream??? It seems very easy to project and THINK you are OBE, but you are actually LD.

How do you project with certitude into a true OBE, rather than an LD???
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My next question Natalie, how do you stay in the OBE, and not let it fall into a LD pool?? With your experiment it seems you projectdd out-of-body (OBE), but then you changed your mind in some way where you fell into a lucid dream pool.

But it seems there was no major change in the environment, except that you could touch things when it turned into an LD!! Is that they only way to tell?? How do you tell if you are LD or OBE, when they can seem so similar??

How do you maintain yourself in the true OBE, and how do you prevent yourself from falling into a lucid dream pool, so that you can have extended true OBEs, no falling into LD pool???

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Last question: Have you went OBE and verified something, like put a card out and went and saw the card, or saw what someone was doing in physical life and talked to them and prove what you saw was true, or any other verified experiment???

11-11-2005, 09:39 AM	#1
voodoosdv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Hello Natalie. It's a great pleasure to read your posts. I admire how rigourously and carefully you have experimented, and how much you obviously want to get to the facts and truths of the matter. Here are some enjoyable quotes.. ...rigourously controlled experiments... An Out of Body Experience (OBE) doesn't the same than a Lucid Dream. You can Astral Project outside your body, beginning a typical OBE or APing. When APing, I've proven with a high degree of certitude I cannot exert mechanical action (described as hand-to-object influence) on a physical object. ...review carefully and experimentally like myself your experiences... to test feasibility of your claims. I have some questions for you. In reviewing other OBE journals, as well as my experiences and journals, I am learning it is possible many people who think that they are going out-of-body are dreaming. I had two experiences last week I thought were projections, but it was shown to me by someone good at OBE that they were dreams/hallucinations, that only seemed like OBEs! My question Natalie, how do you project into a true OBE, and not into a lucid dream??? It seems very easy to project and THINK you are OBE, but you are actually LD. How do you project with certitude into a true OBE, rather than an LD??? ___ My next question Natalie, how do you stay in the OBE, and not let it fall into a LD pool?? With your experiment it seems you projectdd out-of-body (OBE), but then you changed your mind in some way where you fell into a lucid dream pool. But it seems there was no major change in the environment, except that you could touch things when it turned into an LD!! Is that they only way to tell?? How do you tell if you are LD or OBE, when they can seem so similar?? How do you maintain yourself in the true OBE, and how do you prevent yourself from falling into a lucid dream pool, so that you can have extended true OBEs, no falling into LD pool??? ___ Last question: Have you went OBE and verified something, like put a card out and went and saw the card, or saw what someone was doing in physical life and talked to them and prove what you saw was true, or any other verified experiment???
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