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**oB8LI2kP** · 07-11-2011, 03:25 PM

My point, sir, is that neoconservatism consists of two propositions: "democratic countries tend not to go to war" and "therefore, we should encourage democratic movements to arise."

Two fallacies right there.

Firstly, democratic countries do tend to go to war a hell of a lot and with disastrous consequences, especially when driven by either neo-cons or liberal humanitarian warriors (I can hardly tell the difference, tbh). These architects of slaughter and mayhem don't seem to think of their actions as warlike in precisely the same way as Islamic Fundies believe themselves to be delivering peace on earth once everyone has been persuaded to submit to Allah (and presumably the correct demoninational flavouring of submission).

Secondly, democracy has to be something achieved by the people, not imposed by an elite - and especially not by foreign invaders. There is also the business of some democracies not being considered democratic enough by the Western centres of power (US / NATO / EU) - basically because they are not sufficiently aligned to the West. The level of democracy in such countries may well not be perfect - but neither is it necessarily perfect in those countries that have appointed themselves rulers of world (which is what both the neo-con and liberal-humanitarian-bombers do).

07-11-2011, 03:25 PM	#24
oB8LI2kP Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	My point, sir, is that neoconservatism consists of two propositions: "democratic countries tend not to go to war" and "therefore, we should encourage democratic movements to arise." Two fallacies right there. Firstly, democratic countries do tend to go to war a hell of a lot and with disastrous consequences, especially when driven by either neo-cons or liberal humanitarian warriors (I can hardly tell the difference, tbh). These architects of slaughter and mayhem don't seem to think of their actions as warlike in precisely the same way as Islamic Fundies believe themselves to be delivering peace on earth once everyone has been persuaded to submit to Allah (and presumably the correct demoninational flavouring of submission). Secondly, democracy has to be something achieved by the people, not imposed by an elite - and especially not by foreign invaders. There is also the business of some democracies not being considered democratic enough by the Western centres of power (US / NATO / EU) - basically because they are not sufficiently aligned to the West. The level of democracy in such countries may well not be perfect - but neither is it necessarily perfect in those countries that have appointed themselves rulers of world (which is what both the neo-con and liberal-humanitarian-bombers do).
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