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**italertb** · 03-03-2012, 04:56 PM

Al-salamu 'alaykum.

Firstly, I am not a shaykh and it is demeaning to the religion to call me so, even mockingly. Rather, I am a youth and a student of Islamic sciences as well as English linguistics (the reason why I am in England right now).

After you posted a diatribe against the mu'tamad of the madhab (by a Hanafi) I clarified the true position of the school for you. We are not in 7th Hijri Century Persia. Hanafis are not a war with Shafi'is. If you don't like the views of the madhab then fine. Carry on your Hanafi ways. But don't allow your ignorance to intrude on others' worship.

You should know that the structure of the madhab has multiple chains of transmission and not everything in Kitab al-Umm is considered to be the position of the madhab. There are alternative views transmitted by other Ashab which are deemed more sound (asahh). The great mistake not-Shafi'is make is going to Kitab al-Umm to determine the madhab, ignoring other routes. Rather, the Shakhayn (al-Rafi'i and al-Nawawi) made great efforts to ground the madhab through deep and thorough research of all the known transmissions and then making tarjih. Their tarjih has not been overturned. Additional tarjih was made a few centuries later by Shaykh al-Islam, Shihab al-Ramli, Ibn Hajar, Shams al-Ramli, and al-Khatib.

Your asking for the definition of makruh in our madhab seems like you are asking for ammunition for further vitriolic attacks, rather that a genuine desire for further understanding of the madhab. Is it just for a next round after the bell? Check your intentions please brother. But, in response to your request, here you go:

والمكروه قسمان: مكروهاً تحريمياً، ومكروهاً تنزيهياً
المكروه تحريمياً: هو ما طالبنا الشرع بتركه طلباً جازماً لكن دون طلب ترك الحرام، بحيث يترتب على تركه امتثالاً لأمر الله تعالى الثواب، ويترتب على فعله العقاب، لكن دون عقاب الحرام. ومثال ذلك صلاة النفل المطلق عند طلوع الشمس، أو عند غروبها. فهذه الصلاة مكروهة تحريمياً.

المكروه تنزيهياً: هو ما طلب الشرع تركه طلباً غير جازم، بحيث إذا عرفة للحاج، فإن ترك الصوم امتثالاً لأمر الدين أثيب ، وإن صام لم يعاقب.

03-03-2012, 04:56 PM	#15
italertb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	Al-salamu 'alaykum. Firstly, I am not a shaykh and it is demeaning to the religion to call me so, even mockingly. Rather, I am a youth and a student of Islamic sciences as well as English linguistics (the reason why I am in England right now). After you posted a diatribe against the mu'tamad of the madhab (by a Hanafi) I clarified the true position of the school for you. We are not in 7th Hijri Century Persia. Hanafis are not a war with Shafi'is. If you don't like the views of the madhab then fine. Carry on your Hanafi ways. But don't allow your ignorance to intrude on others' worship. You should know that the structure of the madhab has multiple chains of transmission and not everything in Kitab al-Umm is considered to be the position of the madhab. There are alternative views transmitted by other Ashab which are deemed more sound (asahh). The great mistake not-Shafi'is make is going to Kitab al-Umm to determine the madhab, ignoring other routes. Rather, the Shakhayn (al-Rafi'i and al-Nawawi) made great efforts to ground the madhab through deep and thorough research of all the known transmissions and then making tarjih. Their tarjih has not been overturned. Additional tarjih was made a few centuries later by Shaykh al-Islam, Shihab al-Ramli, Ibn Hajar, Shams al-Ramli, and al-Khatib. Your asking for the definition of makruh in our madhab seems like you are asking for ammunition for further vitriolic attacks, rather that a genuine desire for further understanding of the madhab. Is it just for a next round after the bell? Check your intentions please brother. But, in response to your request, here you go: والمكروه قسمان: مكروهاً تحريمياً، ومكروهاً تنزيهياً المكروه تحريمياً: هو ما طالبنا الشرع بتركه طلباً جازماً لكن دون طلب ترك الحرام، بحيث يترتب على تركه امتثالاً لأمر الله تعالى الثواب، ويترتب على فعله العقاب، لكن دون عقاب الحرام. ومثال ذلك صلاة النفل المطلق عند طلوع الشمس، أو عند غروبها. فهذه الصلاة مكروهة تحريمياً. المكروه تنزيهياً: هو ما طلب الشرع تركه طلباً غير جازم، بحيث إذا عرفة للحاج، فإن ترك الصوم امتثالاً لأمر الدين أثيب ، وإن صام لم يعاقب.
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