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**GWRIeEQp** · 09-21-2012, 08:30 AM

I've always interpretted the "He likes killing you after you're dead" line to tie much more closely into female genital mutilation/Possessing The Secret of Joy. An orgasm being "the little death," and having your clitoris (warm little diamond/chicken's meat) removed would end any sort of sexual climax in that way. Basically, he still likes fucking her even though there is no pleasure for her in it.

Just a little extra thought... (btw I love what you've written about this song)

mmm yeah! That's so good. It ties into the whole idea of being meat, etc.

OK, so I've had some time (and some wine) to think about this song.

The painting I linked to in my post above: I can't help but wondering if it had some influence on Blood Roses. To me, it seems such a perfect fit: Blood Roses to me describes promises that were never fulfilled (can't forget the things you never said) as in Tori's wish to have children - the bleeding roses in the womb area emphasise this perfectly. There may have been unspoken issues between her and Eric. I do remember her saying in a '98 interview that her next career step was to be a mother. This is my interpretation only of course.

And (I may be completely off-track)
"you think I'm a queer"
I don't know if this is 1) meant as a derogatory term for homosexual, or 2) simply to mean that her ex has told her she's weird, and she's replying with "well, you're weird!" If it's meant to be the first instance, then it could be a rebuttal to someone refusing to sleep with her, or could be she's refused to sleep with him and this is them fighting about it. There are men in the world who assume that if you don't want to shag them then you're gay.

I also echo the love for the line "shaved every place where you've been"

It's quite final, it's erasing any evidence of sexual contact...

Long story short, I listen to this song when I feel angry about a past relationship (see: ex-boyfriend poster) and I need to let out. It is Tori at her most beautiful and demonic.

It's an amazing painting! Thanks for sharing it. That onlooking, ambivalent man's shadow is creepy as hell, especially since the woman is obviously suffering hard. It's fitting for roses to be likened to reproductive organs in that way, since that's essentially what they are.

"There are men in the world who assume that if you don't want to shag them then you're gay." I like this. In the kind of universe that Tori is singing about, in which everything is ruled, and the worth of all things judged by sex, it makes sense for "queer" to be used in that derogatory way, or for that to be the subject of the argument. It's pretty disturbing to see a relationship built upon sex in such a way.

yeah, beautiful and demonic, so true - there's such beauty in her voice, especially during the bridge section, but there's such manic violence in her sighs and all the gothic musical elements.

did tori do the brass section arrangements for this song because the bit bw 02.55 - 03.16 has always been the BEST part I think.

wait... I thought that was the organ?

09-21-2012, 08:30 AM	#12
GWRIeEQp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	I've always interpretted the "He likes killing you after you're dead" line to tie much more closely into female genital mutilation/Possessing The Secret of Joy. An orgasm being "the little death," and having your clitoris (warm little diamond/chicken's meat) removed would end any sort of sexual climax in that way. Basically, he still likes fucking her even though there is no pleasure for her in it. Just a little extra thought... (btw I love what you've written about this song) mmm yeah! That's so good. It ties into the whole idea of being meat, etc. OK, so I've had some time (and some wine) to think about this song. The painting I linked to in my post above: I can't help but wondering if it had some influence on Blood Roses. To me, it seems such a perfect fit: Blood Roses to me describes promises that were never fulfilled (can't forget the things you never said) as in Tori's wish to have children - the bleeding roses in the womb area emphasise this perfectly. There may have been unspoken issues between her and Eric. I do remember her saying in a '98 interview that her next career step was to be a mother. This is my interpretation only of course. And (I may be completely off-track) "you think I'm a queer" I don't know if this is 1) meant as a derogatory term for homosexual, or 2) simply to mean that her ex has told her she's weird, and she's replying with "well, you're weird!" If it's meant to be the first instance, then it could be a rebuttal to someone refusing to sleep with her, or could be she's refused to sleep with him and this is them fighting about it. There are men in the world who assume that if you don't want to shag them then you're gay. I also echo the love for the line "shaved every place where you've been" It's quite final, it's erasing any evidence of sexual contact... Long story short, I listen to this song when I feel angry about a past relationship (see: ex-boyfriend poster) and I need to let out. It is Tori at her most beautiful and demonic. It's an amazing painting! Thanks for sharing it. That onlooking, ambivalent man's shadow is creepy as hell, especially since the woman is obviously suffering hard. It's fitting for roses to be likened to reproductive organs in that way, since that's essentially what they are. "There are men in the world who assume that if you don't want to shag them then you're gay." I like this. In the kind of universe that Tori is singing about, in which everything is ruled, and the worth of all things judged by sex, it makes sense for "queer" to be used in that derogatory way, or for that to be the subject of the argument. It's pretty disturbing to see a relationship built upon sex in such a way. yeah, beautiful and demonic, so true - there's such beauty in her voice, especially during the bridge section, but there's such manic violence in her sighs and all the gothic musical elements. did tori do the brass section arrangements for this song because the bit bw 02.55 - 03.16 has always been the BEST part I think. wait... I thought that was the organ?
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