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That's another issue as well, in the Netherlands they made a lot of complex x helenae and complex x coccineum pot plants, that are legit under the tag 'Paphiopedilum hybrid. Same for Ho Chi Minh, used as pot plant...

Under the Lacey act, yes, but so far there has been legit import to the US, USFWS approved, of ALL the known species of Paphiopedilum, including hangianum, etc... under their legit name, well before Holger Perner or Glenn Decker did so... This includes even ooii, anitum, gigantifolium...

Now, as I said previously, many growers have legit gigantifolium, but they will not make invoices to you at any cost. One invoice of a legit gigantifolium, for one plant, can launder thousands of wild gigantifolium, seed grown from illegal parents, hybrids... I made that mistake years ago too, selling gigantifolium with invoice and CITES, thanks to me they are legal around the world, and only thanks to me, no one else...

I belive that the three people who imported ooii with a CITES ( one well known paph grower too...), or hangianum, some years ago in the USA, will NEVER issue any invoice. You pay in cash, get the plant, but they could not charge anyone the proper price for legalizing millions of plants by making an invoice... ( I do indeed have a CITES for ooii, but I will never release any plants of it with a copy of the CITES indeed...)