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**avappyboalt** · 11-01-2006, 11:56 PM

Funny you should mention Germany and Japan.
Let me ask a question: Did Germany or Japan have massive resistance fighters confronting america and Allied forces? Both these contries officially surrrendered. Both Germany and Japan wanted peace. They both wanted to end the war and rebuild and move on,in peace.
Now In Iraq, the local business owner and the butcher,baker and candle stick maker have taken up arms. The insurgents or not only terrorists its the general population killing our troops. Any idiot should be able to see this country simply doesn't agree with anything we have as an agenda. Simply put they don't want a democratic government. Except for Greece no other Islamic country is a western style democracy. They will keep fighting the US troops until we leave. And do you blame them? What if China decided America is a corrupt nation and should be overthrown. Now our Government is gone no police no nothing in the form of national or local defense. What would you me and every other American man woman and child do...We would take the weapons we have and start resisting by what ever means we could find or make....This is what is happening in Iraq.

Originally Posted by DaRooster

Ok...after I read this I needed a couple days to think about it... it's a very good question that deserves a great answer... I don't know if I can make my point.. I will try.. and think I should also consult other historians and poli sci professors on this issue but I do see the difference and don't know if I can put it into words.

How we fought Germany and Japan determined the policies of the White House how to rebuild. What the WH faced in WWII that this WH doesn't have the advantage of is... Japan and Germany were completely bombed into submission... don't say Iraq is..it's not even close... not by a million miles. Carpet bombing was the tool of the trade back then and Japan got two nukes to boot. They were demoralized and beaten to the point there was no fight left in any of them. We went after the Japanese and German people to insure there was no fight left in even the civilian populace.

In Iraq and Afgan.. we fought the Gov't entirely, took out their military, their leaders... we did NOT go after the civilian populace... (of course their were SOME competely civilian non combatant deaths), but the civilians were spared what we did to Japan and Germany by precision bombing. Precision targeting. Iraq and Afgan average people were NEVER bombed into complete submission... of course the people still have fight left in them. Had (in my opinion), we fought them like we did the Japanese and Germans, literally hundreds of thousands of dead.. I honestly believe they'd be on their knees begging for peace... all of them.

And about the part you talked about China and USA... every man woman child taking up arms... well guess you missed the part where the US Soldiers finally entering Germany proper when they gave up and Hitler had committed suicide... they reported no men left harly and saw mostly women and children carrying guns to protect the Father Land. Alot of the people left that we killed were children in Germany and took out a good chunk of civilian children and women in two dropped nukes on two civilian targets in Japan... and they were warned that Tokyo was next!

For you to even think that Japan wanted Democratic Gov't was wrong too... they were Imperialists.. it was not natural to them either, it was forced on them as part of the surrender.

To sum it up... the world would never allow us (like they can stop us pffffft) to do to Afgan and Iraq what we did to Germany and Japan. Many would say that's why we should treat them like Japan and Germany. Because the media is really controlling the outcome... the President would be impeached and convicted if he did that to them. Had the media been there enforce with minute by minute action updates like we have now... America would never have let the President literally wipe out Japan and Germany. You should read what we did in Dresden... straffed civilian targets and fire bombed the civilians to punish them and that was AFTER Germany literally had no fight left in them.

The face of war has changed... media won't let us win easy.

11-01-2006, 11:56 PM	#8
avappyboalt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 329 Senior Member	Funny you should mention Germany and Japan. Let me ask a question: Did Germany or Japan have massive resistance fighters confronting america and Allied forces? Both these contries officially surrrendered. Both Germany and Japan wanted peace. They both wanted to end the war and rebuild and move on,in peace. Now In Iraq, the local business owner and the butcher,baker and candle stick maker have taken up arms. The insurgents or not only terrorists its the general population killing our troops. Any idiot should be able to see this country simply doesn't agree with anything we have as an agenda. Simply put they don't want a democratic government. Except for Greece no other Islamic country is a western style democracy. They will keep fighting the US troops until we leave. And do you blame them? What if China decided America is a corrupt nation and should be overthrown. Now our Government is gone no police no nothing in the form of national or local defense. What would you me and every other American man woman and child do...We would take the weapons we have and start resisting by what ever means we could find or make....This is what is happening in Iraq. Originally Posted by DaRooster Ok...after I read this I needed a couple days to think about it... it's a very good question that deserves a great answer... I don't know if I can make my point.. I will try.. and think I should also consult other historians and poli sci professors on this issue but I do see the difference and don't know if I can put it into words. How we fought Germany and Japan determined the policies of the White House how to rebuild. What the WH faced in WWII that this WH doesn't have the advantage of is... Japan and Germany were completely bombed into submission... don't say Iraq is..it's not even close... not by a million miles. Carpet bombing was the tool of the trade back then and Japan got two nukes to boot. They were demoralized and beaten to the point there was no fight left in any of them. We went after the Japanese and German people to insure there was no fight left in even the civilian populace. In Iraq and Afgan.. we fought the Gov't entirely, took out their military, their leaders... we did NOT go after the civilian populace... (of course their were SOME competely civilian non combatant deaths), but the civilians were spared what we did to Japan and Germany by precision bombing. Precision targeting. Iraq and Afgan average people were NEVER bombed into complete submission... of course the people still have fight left in them. Had (in my opinion), we fought them like we did the Japanese and Germans, literally hundreds of thousands of dead.. I honestly believe they'd be on their knees begging for peace... all of them. And about the part you talked about China and USA... every man woman child taking up arms... well guess you missed the part where the US Soldiers finally entering Germany proper when they gave up and Hitler had committed suicide... they reported no men left harly and saw mostly women and children carrying guns to protect the Father Land. Alot of the people left that we killed were children in Germany and took out a good chunk of civilian children and women in two dropped nukes on two civilian targets in Japan... and they were warned that Tokyo was next! For you to even think that Japan wanted Democratic Gov't was wrong too... they were Imperialists.. it was not natural to them either, it was forced on them as part of the surrender. To sum it up... the world would never allow us (like they can stop us pffffft) to do to Afgan and Iraq what we did to Germany and Japan. Many would say that's why we should treat them like Japan and Germany. Because the media is really controlling the outcome... the President would be impeached and convicted if he did that to them. Had the media been there enforce with minute by minute action updates like we have now... America would never have let the President literally wipe out Japan and Germany. You should read what we did in Dresden... straffed civilian targets and fire bombed the civilians to punish them and that was AFTER Germany literally had no fight left in them. The face of war has changed... media won't let us win easy.
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