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**Nurse_sero** · 02-24-2007, 05:37 AM

IMHO, our LEOs already do whatever they want (i. e. warrantless spying, extrajudicial arrest, torture, etc.).

Some do at times. If they're found out then the courts will excluded evidence unfairly obtained. There are of course provisions to charge those officers criminally where offences (eg torture) have been committed.

The purpose of fighting the Pats Act, etc. is to have a legal basis for challenging these actions in Court in the event one of these LEOs is caught violating the USC.

Yes, the objective of the Act is to curtail certain legal rights and to make lawful certain things that were previously unlawful.

However, if the security of the US is so threatened that Constitutional rights need to be curbed to deal with these threats, then the foreign policy that incites these threats need to be modified/repealed.

And this is the point that others have made. AQ has achieved a victory. It has caused the US to repress its own citizens (eg Jose Padilla) and others who are not its citizens. The Administration believes that it's necessary to curtail legal rights for citizens and non-citizens to ensure security. It seems that most people in the US went along with that for a long while. It seems they're now re-thinking that position. It seems the Administration is determined to ignore that re-think and carry on regardless.

02-24-2007, 05:37 AM	#32
Nurse_sero Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	IMHO, our LEOs already do whatever they want (i. e. warrantless spying, extrajudicial arrest, torture, etc.). Some do at times. If they're found out then the courts will excluded evidence unfairly obtained. There are of course provisions to charge those officers criminally where offences (eg torture) have been committed. The purpose of fighting the Pats Act, etc. is to have a legal basis for challenging these actions in Court in the event one of these LEOs is caught violating the USC. Yes, the objective of the Act is to curtail certain legal rights and to make lawful certain things that were previously unlawful. However, if the security of the US is so threatened that Constitutional rights need to be curbed to deal with these threats, then the foreign policy that incites these threats need to be modified/repealed. And this is the point that others have made. AQ has achieved a victory. It has caused the US to repress its own citizens (eg Jose Padilla) and others who are not its citizens. The Administration believes that it's necessary to curtail legal rights for citizens and non-citizens to ensure security. It seems that most people in the US went along with that for a long while. It seems they're now re-thinking that position. It seems the Administration is determined to ignore that re-think and carry on regardless.
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