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**Sironimoll** · 02-25-2007, 07:09 PM

I believe article 17 of Kyoto had to do with trading CO2 credits. What's different with this?

Screw this and screw Kyoto. We are a sovereign nation of free people. Our free market is more than capable of coming up with solutions to real problems and I don't consider CO2 a problem as there are plently of natural causes that many scientists think may be responsible for the recent heating.

Yup, Kyoto does have trading C emissions in it. But it is out-dated and not as equitable to all nations (US included). If it turns out that this newer approach is inequitable, I would not support our ratification of it (as I did not and do not support the ratification of the current Kyoto).

I agree that we are able to control emissions much better than many believe. We already have mercury emissions improving based on emissions cap trade: Basic Information | Clean Air Mercury Rule | US EPA

And, even without ratification of Kyoto, we have done a pretty good job relative to others on C emissions (from 2000-2004, the US increase in CO2 emissions increased 1.3% while the European Union's increase in CO2 emissions was 2.1% during that same period): Post-Kyoto Surprise: America's Quiet Efforts to Cut Greenhouse Gases Are Producing Results

Their point is, that to keep and improve our economic standing globally, we should address CO2 emissions (the world cares about it, so we should too - diplomacy to ensure economic standing). But only with changes in what is currently there to make it equitable.

And this is exactly why I have been saying Kyoto is nothing more than a global redistribution scheme designed to reduce the globabl disparity in jobs and wealth. If you and other liberals are concerned with this (I am actually in that I wish ALL nations had great economies and standards of living) then what you need to do is export what values that made America great: Liberty, freedom, the right to own private property, a democratic Republic form of government, free press, etc.

Kramer

I don't know if many on this forum think I'm a liberal. I appear to be classified as a "righty knucklehead" and a "wing-nut" by some

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02-25-2007, 07:09 PM	#9
Sironimoll Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	I believe article 17 of Kyoto had to do with trading CO2 credits. What's different with this? Screw this and screw Kyoto. We are a sovereign nation of free people. Our free market is more than capable of coming up with solutions to real problems and I don't consider CO2 a problem as there are plently of natural causes that many scientists think may be responsible for the recent heating. Yup, Kyoto does have trading C emissions in it. But it is out-dated and not as equitable to all nations (US included). If it turns out that this newer approach is inequitable, I would not support our ratification of it (as I did not and do not support the ratification of the current Kyoto). I agree that we are able to control emissions much better than many believe. We already have mercury emissions improving based on emissions cap trade: Basic Information \| Clean Air Mercury Rule \| US EPA And, even without ratification of Kyoto, we have done a pretty good job relative to others on C emissions (from 2000-2004, the US increase in CO2 emissions increased 1.3% while the European Union's increase in CO2 emissions was 2.1% during that same period): Post-Kyoto Surprise: America's Quiet Efforts to Cut Greenhouse Gases Are Producing Results Their point is, that to keep and improve our economic standing globally, we should address CO2 emissions (the world cares about it, so we should too - diplomacy to ensure economic standing). But only with changes in what is currently there to make it equitable. And this is exactly why I have been saying Kyoto is nothing more than a global redistribution scheme designed to reduce the globabl disparity in jobs and wealth. If you and other liberals are concerned with this (I am actually in that I wish ALL nations had great economies and standards of living) then what you need to do is export what values that made America great: Liberty, freedom, the right to own private property, a democratic Republic form of government, free press, etc. Kramer I don't know if many on this forum think I'm a liberal. I appear to be classified as a "righty knucklehead" and a "wing-nut" by some .
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