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**MasdMnPa** · 02-21-2007, 03:01 PM

Matt, iamwhatiseem,

I agree with you both. Guns is not the issue.

Human life is the issue and that trumps even the Constitution.

Then shouldn't you be upset that Nagin decided trampling the 4th amendment was more important than human lives? Why weren't the police out saving people instead of kicking in doors and taking things from people without warrants?

Forgive me if I take this issue too personally. I went to NO after the tragedy. I looked into the faces of the victims and I heard their stories. I looked into the face of a 14 year-old boy who couldn't find his parents. I talked to a minister who was overwhelmed by people seeking his help and watched him start to cry as he spoke of his shame that he couldn't do more for them. I watched a woman who had lost her baby and the blank stare on her face has been blazed into my memory for the rest of my life.

I was a paramedic for over 15 years. People from my department went to NO. Had I not been out of service medically, I'd have been there.

Personally, I'm shocked at the apathy of the American people for their own fellow citizens in this so-called "god-fearing" land. Can't tell me shit about God and believers. Those who took up the mantle of responsibility for their fellow citizens were spiritual, not religious, not gun-lovers .. and it is in they who I place my faith in Americans.

Millions of Americans donated money to help. Many went there to help.

Pissing on their efforts does no service to the people of NO.

If you both believe that Nagin's act was an affront to the Constitution and "freedom" .. then more power to you my brothers.

Again, even if you don't care about the Constitutional violations, surely the manpower could have been better used actually helping people?

Nagin was a colossal failure before, during and after the storm.

Matt

02-21-2007, 03:01 PM	#22
MasdMnPa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	Matt, iamwhatiseem, I agree with you both. Guns is not the issue. Human life is the issue and that trumps even the Constitution. Then shouldn't you be upset that Nagin decided trampling the 4th amendment was more important than human lives? Why weren't the police out saving people instead of kicking in doors and taking things from people without warrants? Forgive me if I take this issue too personally. I went to NO after the tragedy. I looked into the faces of the victims and I heard their stories. I looked into the face of a 14 year-old boy who couldn't find his parents. I talked to a minister who was overwhelmed by people seeking his help and watched him start to cry as he spoke of his shame that he couldn't do more for them. I watched a woman who had lost her baby and the blank stare on her face has been blazed into my memory for the rest of my life. I was a paramedic for over 15 years. People from my department went to NO. Had I not been out of service medically, I'd have been there. Personally, I'm shocked at the apathy of the American people for their own fellow citizens in this so-called "god-fearing" land. Can't tell me shit about God and believers. Those who took up the mantle of responsibility for their fellow citizens were spiritual, not religious, not gun-lovers .. and it is in they who I place my faith in Americans. Millions of Americans donated money to help. Many went there to help. Pissing on their efforts does no service to the people of NO. If you both believe that Nagin's act was an affront to the Constitution and "freedom" .. then more power to you my brothers. Again, even if you don't care about the Constitutional violations, surely the manpower could have been better used actually helping people? Nagin was a colossal failure before, during and after the storm. Matt
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