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**MasdMnPa** · 02-21-2007, 04:06 PM

Matt,

I don't disagree with much of what you said in your last post. Katrina was a monumental failure of all levels of the US government, local, state, and federal.

My problem is the failure to respond adequately to this tragic human crisis far surpasses any affront to the search and seizure that may have taken place.

The response to people in need takes priority over the Constitutional trampling, for the time that those people are in need.

The fact that people needed help does not forgive or excuse the government of New Orleans trampling the constitution. The fact that the trampling occurred in place of helping people in need of rescue just makes it worse.

Additonally, those most bothered by the search and seizure greivance are the exact same people who had no problem with illegal wire-tapping and all of the other attacks on the Constitution and civil liberties that the Bush Administration engaged in.

Conversely, some of the loudest voices speaking out against warrantless wire-taps are silent on these warrantless physical searches.

Did you defend any of the actions of the Bush Administration to illegally attack the Constitution and the rights of Americans .. many of which have been struck down by the courts over these past 6 years? If the rights of American citizens and the Constitution is your argument, then surely you've had problems with what's happening on the federal level and your angst over these attacks does not stop in New Orleans.

I am on record opposing the wiretapping program. What I don't understand is how you can (rightly) condemn the warrantless wiretaps, and yet excuse warrantless - and sometimes violent - physical searches of people's homes against their will?

Perhaps you have not defended these attacks by the Bush Administration, but it is strangely curious to me that Nagin is criticized for the same thing that is happening on a much wider and far more dangerous federal level .. by the same people who defended those actions.

Strangely curious to me is how Nagin is excused for doing the same thing Bush is doing - using the 4th Amendment or toilet paper.

Matt

02-21-2007, 04:06 PM	#30
MasdMnPa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	Matt, I don't disagree with much of what you said in your last post. Katrina was a monumental failure of all levels of the US government, local, state, and federal. My problem is the failure to respond adequately to this tragic human crisis far surpasses any affront to the search and seizure that may have taken place. The response to people in need takes priority over the Constitutional trampling, for the time that those people are in need. The fact that people needed help does not forgive or excuse the government of New Orleans trampling the constitution. The fact that the trampling occurred in place of helping people in need of rescue just makes it worse. Additonally, those most bothered by the search and seizure greivance are the exact same people who had no problem with illegal wire-tapping and all of the other attacks on the Constitution and civil liberties that the Bush Administration engaged in. Conversely, some of the loudest voices speaking out against warrantless wire-taps are silent on these warrantless physical searches. Did you defend any of the actions of the Bush Administration to illegally attack the Constitution and the rights of Americans .. many of which have been struck down by the courts over these past 6 years? If the rights of American citizens and the Constitution is your argument, then surely you've had problems with what's happening on the federal level and your angst over these attacks does not stop in New Orleans. I am on record opposing the wiretapping program. What I don't understand is how you can (rightly) condemn the warrantless wiretaps, and yet excuse warrantless - and sometimes violent - physical searches of people's homes against their will? Perhaps you have not defended these attacks by the Bush Administration, but it is strangely curious to me that Nagin is criticized for the same thing that is happening on a much wider and far more dangerous federal level .. by the same people who defended those actions. Strangely curious to me is how Nagin is excused for doing the same thing Bush is doing - using the 4th Amendment or toilet paper. Matt
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