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**sarasaraseda** · 04-02-2007, 08:47 PM

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I know exactly what you mean. You were right earlier when he/she said that most traditional conservatives keep their mouths shut. I'm not one, but I agree with it and wish it weren't so. That's part of the problem. The left and other uninformed people foolishly call Bush and Co. "conservatives" and destroy the name via either not knowing simple differences or just plain smearing. And it's a shame because there are some liberals who haven't strayed too far from Classical Jeffersonian Liberalism, are still sane, and can actually discuss the topic.

Yes, I have had many good talks with liberals who still hold to the old liberalism that believes in free speech, the significance of the individual, the importance of compassion (as opposed to pity) and holding on to the positive aspects of tradition. I have far more in common with them than with neocons, but I (and they) have almost nothing in common with the Pelosi/kennedy/Hillary/Biden/Leahy world, where free thoughts and free speech are not allowed if they disagree with the party line.

It's true that most traditional conservatives did keep quiet. We should have spoken up more often - and we are at fault over this. I would add, though, that it really is true that there is very little interest in our views.

@ pram - I don't think true conservatives can be branded simply as 'keeping the status quo'. Most do embrace some change, but prefer to hold true to methods or ways of doing things that have consistently proven to work. So in one sense, maybe you're correct, but most of them are not bible thumping crazies who have their minds chisled in stone.

That is well said - I would agree. Also, I know many people who do read the Bible and (as an Anglican) the Book of Common Prayer who are not crazies. I think you would agree.

04-02-2007, 08:47 PM	#35
sarasaraseda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 604 Senior Member	[QUOTE] I know exactly what you mean. You were right earlier when he/she said that most traditional conservatives keep their mouths shut. I'm not one, but I agree with it and wish it weren't so. That's part of the problem. The left and other uninformed people foolishly call Bush and Co. "conservatives" and destroy the name via either not knowing simple differences or just plain smearing. And it's a shame because there are some liberals who haven't strayed too far from Classical Jeffersonian Liberalism, are still sane, and can actually discuss the topic. Yes, I have had many good talks with liberals who still hold to the old liberalism that believes in free speech, the significance of the individual, the importance of compassion (as opposed to pity) and holding on to the positive aspects of tradition. I have far more in common with them than with neocons, but I (and they) have almost nothing in common with the Pelosi/kennedy/Hillary/Biden/Leahy world, where free thoughts and free speech are not allowed if they disagree with the party line. It's true that most traditional conservatives did keep quiet. We should have spoken up more often - and we are at fault over this. I would add, though, that it really is true that there is very little interest in our views. @ pram - I don't think true conservatives can be branded simply as 'keeping the status quo'. Most do embrace some change, but prefer to hold true to methods or ways of doing things that have consistently proven to work. So in one sense, maybe you're correct, but most of them are not bible thumping crazies who have their minds chisled in stone. That is well said - I would agree. Also, I know many people who do read the Bible and (as an Anglican) the Book of Common Prayer who are not crazies. I think you would agree.
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