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**cepAceryTem** · 02-02-2007, 02:31 PM

I have studied many reports and what the (few & american) critics say. I have found no contradicitions so far. Would you please name some?

Just off the top of my head...

They correlate the rise is greenhouse gases with the rise in temperature. That's really about it. That's what they are hanging their hat on.

1. The tempurature in the past and even in the last century has actually decreased while greenhouse gases were rising.

2. Tempuratures in the past have been higher, with and without greenhouse gas correlations.

3. Tempuratures in the past have been lower, with and without greenhouse gas correlations.

4. We have no clue about the Sun's effect on our climate. The Sun is now in a phase where it is significantly hotter than in the past. This actually occurs about every 1500 years and we are in one of those phases.

5. We have no idea the ability of the negative feedback systems (trees, ocean, clouds, particulate matter, wind patterns, volcanoes...) to offset any changes. It is a complete guess in the models.

6. Every model that I have seen does not work when you run it backwards. It doesn't accurately reflect the past global climate. The modelers make arbitrary changes so that it does work. That's a problem.

Number 4, 5 and 6 are the biggest reasons I am skeptical. The good news is the report that came out today says there is nothing we can do about it so let's move on. We were around when it was warmer, we were around when it was colder. Humans can survive climate change...no reason to panic.

02-02-2007, 02:31 PM	#9
cepAceryTem Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 517 Senior Member	I have studied many reports and what the (few & american) critics say. I have found no contradicitions so far. Would you please name some? Just off the top of my head... They correlate the rise is greenhouse gases with the rise in temperature. That's really about it. That's what they are hanging their hat on. 1. The tempurature in the past and even in the last century has actually decreased while greenhouse gases were rising. 2. Tempuratures in the past have been higher, with and without greenhouse gas correlations. 3. Tempuratures in the past have been lower, with and without greenhouse gas correlations. 4. We have no clue about the Sun's effect on our climate. The Sun is now in a phase where it is significantly hotter than in the past. This actually occurs about every 1500 years and we are in one of those phases. 5. We have no idea the ability of the negative feedback systems (trees, ocean, clouds, particulate matter, wind patterns, volcanoes...) to offset any changes. It is a complete guess in the models. 6. Every model that I have seen does not work when you run it backwards. It doesn't accurately reflect the past global climate. The modelers make arbitrary changes so that it does work. That's a problem. Number 4, 5 and 6 are the biggest reasons I am skeptical. The good news is the report that came out today says there is nothing we can do about it so let's move on. We were around when it was warmer, we were around when it was colder. Humans can survive climate change...no reason to panic.
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