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**MzTT** · 02-02-2007, 07:57 PM

I have been told that there are bullets made with a steel or tungsten "penetrator" which allows the bullet to pierce body armor or the kind of "bullet-proff" shields and vehicle coverings tht are sometimes used by police forces. I've also been told sales of such ammo are illegal but maybe I have misunderstood.

As far as I know, it is not now legal to buy weapons without identifying yourself. It looks like this law will change that. Am I misunderstanding the Montana law??

You've been told a lie.

Virtually any centerfire rifle round WILL penetrate all known soft body armor, and some hard armor. Body armor comes in varying levels of effectiveness which will determine what it MAY stop (its not a guarantee).

The steel core is not a "penetrator" per-se, especially when you're dealing with handgun rounds. In a rifle, yes, it does become a bit different, but again, a steel core does not make it somehow more deadly. To an extent it makes it more surviveable as it will simply poke through and keep right on going.

The hoopla surrounding AP rounds is just that - hoopla.

As far as identifying yourself, its always been legal to buy anything from a private party without producing ID. I see nothing wrong there. I further see nothing wrong with not producing ID when purchasing a new weapon at a retail location. Quite frankly, no amount of restrictions to legal sale is going to make a damn bit of difference to keeping them away from the people you'd worry about anyway. I mean, seriously - big deal. So you know Jethro has a gun. Whoop-de-shit. What exactly does demanding ID from a purchaser do? Seriously. Think about that for a moment.

As far as Im concerned, good for Montana. A few more states need to start telling the federal government to go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.

02-02-2007, 07:57 PM	#8
MzTT Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 665 Senior Member	I have been told that there are bullets made with a steel or tungsten "penetrator" which allows the bullet to pierce body armor or the kind of "bullet-proff" shields and vehicle coverings tht are sometimes used by police forces. I've also been told sales of such ammo are illegal but maybe I have misunderstood. As far as I know, it is not now legal to buy weapons without identifying yourself. It looks like this law will change that. Am I misunderstanding the Montana law?? You've been told a lie. Virtually any centerfire rifle round WILL penetrate all known soft body armor, and some hard armor. Body armor comes in varying levels of effectiveness which will determine what it MAY stop (its not a guarantee). The steel core is not a "penetrator" per-se, especially when you're dealing with handgun rounds. In a rifle, yes, it does become a bit different, but again, a steel core does not make it somehow more deadly. To an extent it makes it more surviveable as it will simply poke through and keep right on going. The hoopla surrounding AP rounds is just that - hoopla. As far as identifying yourself, its always been legal to buy anything from a private party without producing ID. I see nothing wrong there. I further see nothing wrong with not producing ID when purchasing a new weapon at a retail location. Quite frankly, no amount of restrictions to legal sale is going to make a damn bit of difference to keeping them away from the people you'd worry about anyway. I mean, seriously - big deal. So you know Jethro has a gun. Whoop-de-shit. What exactly does demanding ID from a purchaser do? Seriously. Think about that for a moment. As far as Im concerned, good for Montana. A few more states need to start telling the federal government to go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.
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