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**infollafago** · 01-18-2007, 03:16 AM

However I would ask those that are applauding this just what they think will be the result. From every source I have heard there is no expectation that there will be fewer wiretaps

No self-respecting court would ever believe that there is probable cause to spy on almost every American citizen. Further with regards to wiretaps the only reason for the Bush administration to avoid FISA is because they lack enough proof to violate the rights of Americans. They're worried because they know they've committed crimes.

You can paste any law you want, but the fact is we don't know enough information to determine if it is illegal or not; however, there have already been nearly 20 challenges against the NSA [which the NSA has won] and only 1 that has been upheld [which was the ruling of Anna Taylor which will mostly like be appealed]. So if it is so illegal, why aren't there a boatload of cases against the NSA that have been upheld? Nearly 20 cases for the NSA .. I'm gonna bet your wrong.

Alright, unless 200 million Americans are terrorists, I have more then enough information. Let me put that another way so you can understand that. Unless every adult American in the United States is working for the enemy, there is no justification for this. Perhaps you don't understand where the burden of proof lies in America. It is not the citizens requirement to prove why he needs to maintain his rights, its up to the government to prove cause to violate them.

AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon, BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than 200 million customers.

The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications technologies. They provide an array of services: local and long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling habits of Americans.

Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants. USATODAY.com - NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

01-18-2007, 03:16 AM	#11
infollafago Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	However I would ask those that are applauding this just what they think will be the result. From every source I have heard there is no expectation that there will be fewer wiretaps No self-respecting court would ever believe that there is probable cause to spy on almost every American citizen. Further with regards to wiretaps the only reason for the Bush administration to avoid FISA is because they lack enough proof to violate the rights of Americans. They're worried because they know they've committed crimes. You can paste any law you want, but the fact is we don't know enough information to determine if it is illegal or not; however, there have already been nearly 20 challenges against the NSA [which the NSA has won] and only 1 that has been upheld [which was the ruling of Anna Taylor which will mostly like be appealed]. So if it is so illegal, why aren't there a boatload of cases against the NSA that have been upheld? Nearly 20 cases for the NSA .. I'm gonna bet your wrong. Alright, unless 200 million Americans are terrorists, I have more then enough information. Let me put that another way so you can understand that. Unless every adult American in the United States is working for the enemy, there is no justification for this. Perhaps you don't understand where the burden of proof lies in America. It is not the citizens requirement to prove why he needs to maintain his rights, its up to the government to prove cause to violate them. AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon, BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than 200 million customers. The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications technologies. They provide an array of services: local and long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling habits of Americans. Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants. USATODAY.com - NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
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