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**vqIo7X2U** · 07-23-2011, 07:30 AM

I think this, sadly, won't change the eventual total default on the part of Greece. It will only delay it.

The most important thing, I think, and the point that the markets have responded to, is that the Eurozone countries say they will support any threatened countries for as long as it takes. Whether or not they will be able to, or if the populations of certain countries will let them, hasn't really been addressed.

Here are a couple interesting break-downs of the deal:

A Stab at Clarity on the Euro-Zone's Big Greek Bailout - Real Time Brussels - WSJ

Is the Big Greek Deal Really Big? - Real Time Brussels - WSJ

Well, as the WSJ comments itself :

"These are rough estimates based on an incomplete picture of what’s on the table".

What is getting lost is the political dimension. The countries of the Eurozone have not only effectively created an EMF ( European monetary fund), what is even more important is that they have very much reduced the incentives to speculate on further defaults after Greece. To do so is under the present circumstances a quite risky business for speculators and that is what the markets have ( among other things) responded to.
That Greece would be already defaulted without its EU lifebelt is clear without saying. That is also why the deal amounts to showing the rating agencies the midle finger (that have threatened to officially declare Greece bancrupt if the private sector is involved in debt reduction as is the case now)
We will see how that plays out. But the countries of the Eurozone have made a step forward, have confirmed that market speculation will not destroy the common currency and the Eurozone and have made a huge step towards correcting the construction errors in the common currency zone. While the deal is not perfect it is better than recent quarrels allowed to expect.

07-23-2011, 07:30 AM	#4
vqIo7X2U Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	I think this, sadly, won't change the eventual total default on the part of Greece. It will only delay it. The most important thing, I think, and the point that the markets have responded to, is that the Eurozone countries say they will support any threatened countries for as long as it takes. Whether or not they will be able to, or if the populations of certain countries will let them, hasn't really been addressed. Here are a couple interesting break-downs of the deal: A Stab at Clarity on the Euro-Zone's Big Greek Bailout - Real Time Brussels - WSJ Is the Big Greek Deal Really Big? - Real Time Brussels - WSJ Well, as the WSJ comments itself : "These are rough estimates based on an incomplete picture of what’s on the table". What is getting lost is the political dimension. The countries of the Eurozone have not only effectively created an EMF ( European monetary fund), what is even more important is that they have very much reduced the incentives to speculate on further defaults after Greece. To do so is under the present circumstances a quite risky business for speculators and that is what the markets have ( among other things) responded to. That Greece would be already defaulted without its EU lifebelt is clear without saying. That is also why the deal amounts to showing the rating agencies the midle finger (that have threatened to officially declare Greece bancrupt if the private sector is involved in debt reduction as is the case now) We will see how that plays out. But the countries of the Eurozone have made a step forward, have confirmed that market speculation will not destroy the common currency and the Eurozone and have made a huge step towards correcting the construction errors in the common currency zone. While the deal is not perfect it is better than recent quarrels allowed to expect.
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