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**Ngdyoysv** · 07-19-2011, 12:56 AM

So how is it that schools functioned before all of this federal interference? You know the Dept of Education wasn't created until the Carter administration, right? Strangely, Americans overall were getting a better education before its creation than they are now.

Well we had segregation for alot of it. But even after they didn't have near the costs as they do today. Computers just to name one. Then you have all the extra curricular activities which are key to getting students involved with the school and thus with learning (at least that's what happens if it's handled correctly in a no pass no play sort of manner that's honest) and especially to getting them to college. I'm not just talking about scholarships either. A kid with no extracurricular activities to his/her name even with great grades is going to have trouble competing for a spot at a good university because they are not considered "well rounded". With the costs run up by today's schools, many of which are legitimate aids to learning and also teach a necessary skill (like computers, or wood shop, auto shop, theatre, band, art class, Future problem solvers, not to mention things like graphing calculators, even sports programs etc etc) along with a pretty decent size increase in number of schools and population especially in the inner city most of which are fairly poor especially for the way schools raise money in tx, that is to say by property taxes which are part of property values by district. inner city schools have low property values all around and thus significantly less money.

I'm not supporting no child left behind. I took the TAAS test and the TAKS test when they switched to that and they are so easy an monkey could pass it. But remember parents were also alot more involved in their kids lives back in the day as well. What we've got now is parents who are falling down on the job, ensuring their child is paying attention and getting help if they need it etc and not just fucking off for 7 hours a day.
Hell, my sister in law is a teacher in a dallas suburb. pretty nice school. she's a special ed certified teacher. she deals with the "life skills '' kids. Those that literally need to be taught "no johnny don't punch yourself in the face all the time" or have cerebral palsy or any of numerous forms of autism etc etc. Those kids had to take the TAKS test. Even a little girl with cerebral palsy so bad she can barely move her head. she's pretty much unresponsive and my sister in law had to find some way to get her to take the test as ordered by her superiors. It's ridiculous I know and agree. But that federal money is quite important for alot of schools to stay open and alot of teachers to have jobs. Which helps the economy. Hell in Wimberley, TX a town next to San Marcos, they have ZERO industry. The school district is the largest employer. It starts laying off teachers that town dies.
What we really need is a system that actually works, not this no child left behind bullshit that doesn't.

07-19-2011, 12:56 AM	#21
Ngdyoysv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 328 Senior Member	So how is it that schools functioned before all of this federal interference? You know the Dept of Education wasn't created until the Carter administration, right? Strangely, Americans overall were getting a better education before its creation than they are now. Well we had segregation for alot of it. But even after they didn't have near the costs as they do today. Computers just to name one. Then you have all the extra curricular activities which are key to getting students involved with the school and thus with learning (at least that's what happens if it's handled correctly in a no pass no play sort of manner that's honest) and especially to getting them to college. I'm not just talking about scholarships either. A kid with no extracurricular activities to his/her name even with great grades is going to have trouble competing for a spot at a good university because they are not considered "well rounded". With the costs run up by today's schools, many of which are legitimate aids to learning and also teach a necessary skill (like computers, or wood shop, auto shop, theatre, band, art class, Future problem solvers, not to mention things like graphing calculators, even sports programs etc etc) along with a pretty decent size increase in number of schools and population especially in the inner city most of which are fairly poor especially for the way schools raise money in tx, that is to say by property taxes which are part of property values by district. inner city schools have low property values all around and thus significantly less money. I'm not supporting no child left behind. I took the TAAS test and the TAKS test when they switched to that and they are so easy an monkey could pass it. But remember parents were also alot more involved in their kids lives back in the day as well. What we've got now is parents who are falling down on the job, ensuring their child is paying attention and getting help if they need it etc and not just fucking off for 7 hours a day. Hell, my sister in law is a teacher in a dallas suburb. pretty nice school. she's a special ed certified teacher. she deals with the "life skills '' kids. Those that literally need to be taught "no johnny don't punch yourself in the face all the time" or have cerebral palsy or any of numerous forms of autism etc etc. Those kids had to take the TAKS test. Even a little girl with cerebral palsy so bad she can barely move her head. she's pretty much unresponsive and my sister in law had to find some way to get her to take the test as ordered by her superiors. It's ridiculous I know and agree. But that federal money is quite important for alot of schools to stay open and alot of teachers to have jobs. Which helps the economy. Hell in Wimberley, TX a town next to San Marcos, they have ZERO industry. The school district is the largest employer. It starts laying off teachers that town dies. What we really need is a system that actually works, not this no child left behind bullshit that doesn't.
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