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**QQ9ktYrV** · 05-25-2011, 05:51 AM

There you go, that's an assumption on your part. In reality you have no idea what was actually said in any of those meetings. Obama did say the 67 border was the starting point. Not so from Israel's point of view, not in the least. I will say past presidents knew that, thus never took Israel back to the 67 border, like Obama did. Huge difference, and that is what prompted the PM of Israel to give Obama a lecture on the subject, publicly.

The 67 borders (at least in principle, it has long been acknowledged that adjustments and land swaps ARE on the table) have been the base for ALL treaties that Israel and the Palestinians signed on the issue, for example Oslo, Annapolis, Wye Plantation (under Netanyahus first governement) for the Arab peace initiative ( that offers Israel recognition, peace treaties and integration in the region and has been adopted by the EU AND the US), and also for George Bushs "roadmap", including sharing Jerusalem. In essence , regardless how you spin it, that shows Netanyahu wishes to go back behind that and doesn´t want peace. Since a palestinian state without Jerusalem, with the settlements in place, only in not clearly defined parts of the West Bank that Israel doesn´t want, with a huge israeli army presence inside its borders while completely demilitarised and what else Netanyahu has demanded isn´t a state, it is a joke. And no palestinian leader,regardless how moderate is going to accept his terms.

05-25-2011, 05:51 AM	#30
QQ9ktYrV Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	There you go, that's an assumption on your part. In reality you have no idea what was actually said in any of those meetings. Obama did say the 67 border was the starting point. Not so from Israel's point of view, not in the least. I will say past presidents knew that, thus never took Israel back to the 67 border, like Obama did. Huge difference, and that is what prompted the PM of Israel to give Obama a lecture on the subject, publicly. The 67 borders (at least in principle, it has long been acknowledged that adjustments and land swaps ARE on the table) have been the base for ALL treaties that Israel and the Palestinians signed on the issue, for example Oslo, Annapolis, Wye Plantation (under Netanyahus first governement) for the Arab peace initiative ( that offers Israel recognition, peace treaties and integration in the region and has been adopted by the EU AND the US), and also for George Bushs "roadmap", including sharing Jerusalem. In essence , regardless how you spin it, that shows Netanyahu wishes to go back behind that and doesn´t want peace. Since a palestinian state without Jerusalem, with the settlements in place, only in not clearly defined parts of the West Bank that Israel doesn´t want, with a huge israeli army presence inside its borders while completely demilitarised and what else Netanyahu has demanded isn´t a state, it is a joke. And no palestinian leader,regardless how moderate is going to accept his terms.
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