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**NudiJuicervich** · 05-20-2011, 01:58 AM

I disagree. Many Jewish people are tired of the on-going and unjust war, and are ready to recognize that Palestinians have rights, just as they do.

Any reasonable person would recognize that. This may not be accomplished, but at least the unconditional support of Israel by the U.S. seems to be coming to an end. And not too soon.

Indeed. A large percent of the 'Jewish left', if you will, in the Dem's base support being even out of the West Bank altogether. The Jewish conservatives tend to be GOP and that includes a large percent of the Zionist types.

An interesting factor here, and one that we're not privy given it's within the government back channels, is what goes on by and between Israel's Ambassador to the US, Michael Oren. He's a former US citizen who was born and raised in the US and has taught university classes in the US at various times. He was required by Israel to renounce his US citizenship which he did with much sadness in order to accept the assignment which--according to him--allowed him the chance to cement a truly solid US-Israeli relationship that also solves the Israel-Palestine crisis. Oren believes that his US and Israeli background will be useful for doing so. He's long held these positions:

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But now Mr. Oren is putting his intellect and persuasive powers into the service of a right-wing Israeli government that does not see eye to eye with the White House. Judging from Mr. Oren’s writing and lectures, it is not clear he is completely eye to eye with his new bosses either.

He is on the record as supporting Israel’s unilateral disengagement from Gaza, a decision that led Mr. Netanyahu to leave the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005. He has also said Israel must withdraw from its settlements in the West Bank, to save itself as a Jewish state.

. . . The Saturday Profile - Israeli Ambassador Draws on American Roots - Biography - NYTimes.com

In obviously thorny problems like these, plenty of posing and posturing is often required given the tip-toes through the mine fields of all the involved aggressive, inflexible and belligerent hotheads. Netanyahu picked an ambassador who is known to have these different sentiments from his own Likud Party where the Zionist hotheads reside. Oren is also tapped for working with Obama. Too bad I can't look behind the curtains as to what's going on, but the signs indicate there could be some calculated moves being made even between them and Palestinian leaders (maybe even Hamas, etc, leaders who privately would like a deal but must deal with those who don't) to set up a stage for solutions and working the angles around hard line opponents of all sides.

05-20-2011, 01:58 AM	#22
NudiJuicervich Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 570 Senior Member	I disagree. Many Jewish people are tired of the on-going and unjust war, and are ready to recognize that Palestinians have rights, just as they do. Any reasonable person would recognize that. This may not be accomplished, but at least the unconditional support of Israel by the U.S. seems to be coming to an end. And not too soon. Indeed. A large percent of the 'Jewish left', if you will, in the Dem's base support being even out of the West Bank altogether. The Jewish conservatives tend to be GOP and that includes a large percent of the Zionist types. An interesting factor here, and one that we're not privy given it's within the government back channels, is what goes on by and between Israel's Ambassador to the US, Michael Oren. He's a former US citizen who was born and raised in the US and has taught university classes in the US at various times. He was required by Israel to renounce his US citizenship which he did with much sadness in order to accept the assignment which--according to him--allowed him the chance to cement a truly solid US-Israeli relationship that also solves the Israel-Palestine crisis. Oren believes that his US and Israeli background will be useful for doing so. He's long held these positions: . . . But now Mr. Oren is putting his intellect and persuasive powers into the service of a right-wing Israeli government that does not see eye to eye with the White House. Judging from Mr. Oren’s writing and lectures, it is not clear he is completely eye to eye with his new bosses either. He is on the record as supporting Israel’s unilateral disengagement from Gaza, a decision that led Mr. Netanyahu to leave the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005. He has also said Israel must withdraw from its settlements in the West Bank, to save itself as a Jewish state. . . . The Saturday Profile - Israeli Ambassador Draws on American Roots - Biography - NYTimes.com In obviously thorny problems like these, plenty of posing and posturing is often required given the tip-toes through the mine fields of all the involved aggressive, inflexible and belligerent hotheads. Netanyahu picked an ambassador who is known to have these different sentiments from his own Likud Party where the Zionist hotheads reside. Oren is also tapped for working with Obama. Too bad I can't look behind the curtains as to what's going on, but the signs indicate there could be some calculated moves being made even between them and Palestinian leaders (maybe even Hamas, etc, leaders who privately would like a deal but must deal with those who don't) to set up a stage for solutions and working the angles around hard line opponents of all sides.
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