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**NudiJuicervich** · 04-26-2011, 05:22 PM

I see what you're saying, but there's a certain nebulousness to the organization, and a reasonable suspicion that not everyone who claims membership is a credible threat (never mind that darn old Constitution that guarantees free association).

The mere fact that we don't like an organization, or that certain parts of an organization are unpleasant, doesn't mean that we can make association with an organization unlawful (and certainly not a capital offense). That line becomes far too blurry far too quickly.

To prove any criminal charge, the evidence must be sufficient for a jury or judge as the case to make that conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt. For sample manner of proving that, see my last post above to Danny.

There is no right to be a member of a violent organisation like AQ whatsoever within the right of association, which is intended for peaceful and reasonable conduct. There is no right to be a criminal conspirator in ordinary or serious crime, e.g., a group of burglars or insider traders, or a violent street gang, etc. As for a capital offence, IMO that can be applied in the case of criminal conspiracies sanctioning and conducting premeditated murder(s), of which AQ is most certainly engaged.

04-26-2011, 05:22 PM	#22
NudiJuicervich Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 570 Senior Member	I see what you're saying, but there's a certain nebulousness to the organization, and a reasonable suspicion that not everyone who claims membership is a credible threat (never mind that darn old Constitution that guarantees free association). The mere fact that we don't like an organization, or that certain parts of an organization are unpleasant, doesn't mean that we can make association with an organization unlawful (and certainly not a capital offense). That line becomes far too blurry far too quickly. To prove any criminal charge, the evidence must be sufficient for a jury or judge as the case to make that conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt. For sample manner of proving that, see my last post above to Danny. There is no right to be a member of a violent organisation like AQ whatsoever within the right of association, which is intended for peaceful and reasonable conduct. There is no right to be a criminal conspirator in ordinary or serious crime, e.g., a group of burglars or insider traders, or a violent street gang, etc. As for a capital offence, IMO that can be applied in the case of criminal conspiracies sanctioning and conducting premeditated murder(s), of which AQ is most certainly engaged.
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