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**vforvandetta** · 01-05-2011, 12:00 AM

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That's true, and it's a good thing IMO seeing Muslims stand up to them and even call upon others to help. Our rights, happiness, peace and progress is best secured by a collective effort for our collective benefit.

Seriously, we could use your help--even if it's just raising the voices against thugs wrapping themselves in religion--Muslim or non-Muslim--as they do military uniforms and we all benefit from it. It's in our collective benefit to defeat that.

I'm not saying good people of good will don't already do that because a great number do so...but if that message is carried on the streets, the Internet, schools, mosques, cable television like Al Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, etc--and help stick up for non-Muslims of good will are attempting to likewise do good things for Muslims and/or non-Muslims alike--it really helps. To me, it's not a Muslim versus non-Muslim thing...it's a good versus evil thing and the former should be sought over the latter.

Agreed. But I believe its more complicated than this. I, for example, participate in discussions with 'extremists' on and off line. Most of us do here and its even hard to find an 'extremist' to talk to these days. But they would always label you as "regime loyalist". They would ask, "How can you be a good 'Muslim' and not direct your attacks to the 'dictator' who is rulling you?". So I believe the best way to eleminate 'extremists' influence is to take the initiative and responsibilty of reforming the regime from the extremists. In this way, the average citizen would be able to use legitimate political tools in his gov't to, for example, cooperate with other nations to build Afganistan or fight terrorism.

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vforvandetta Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	(bolding added) That's true, and it's a good thing IMO seeing Muslims stand up to them and even call upon others to help. Our rights, happiness, peace and progress is best secured by a collective effort for our collective benefit. Seriously, we could use your help--even if it's just raising the voices against thugs wrapping themselves in religion--Muslim or non-Muslim--as they do military uniforms and we all benefit from it. It's in our collective benefit to defeat that. I'm not saying good people of good will don't already do that because a great number do so...but if that message is carried on the streets, the Internet, schools, mosques, cable television like Al Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, etc--and help stick up for non-Muslims of good will are attempting to likewise do good things for Muslims and/or non-Muslims alike--it really helps. To me, it's not a Muslim versus non-Muslim thing...it's a good versus evil thing and the former should be sought over the latter. Agreed. But I believe its more complicated than this. I, for example, participate in discussions with 'extremists' on and off line. Most of us do here and its even hard to find an 'extremist' to talk to these days. But they would always label you as "regime loyalist". They would ask, "How can you be a good 'Muslim' and not direct your attacks to the 'dictator' who is rulling you?". So I believe the best way to eleminate 'extremists' influence is to take the initiative and responsibilty of reforming the regime from the extremists. In this way, the average citizen would be able to use legitimate political tools in his gov't to, for example, cooperate with other nations to build Afganistan or fight terrorism.
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