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**Frdsdx26** · 03-31-2011, 06:43 AM

What I fail to understand is how this is public info. Anyways until we know the details of the arms it's hard to pass judgment. I was never a fan of blaming Charlie Wilson for arming bin Laden & co. After all it did beat the soviets.

The Soviets were beaten already. Afghanistan, if it did anything, gave them another decade in power and left behind the very unstable remnant of a superpower we see today instead of what might be, by now, a resurging ally. Then again, the entire Cold War had largely that effect.

I think, the disclosure may be due to his statement yesterday that arming the rebels was "not off the table". Remember, this statement is really just a written formality that only allows him to arm the rebels if he wants to, so it's no surprise. It doesn't necessarily mean he is, yet, and it may be almost obligatory given the statement he's made.

In fact, both the statement and this memo may be negotiating tools, telling Muammar that it's time to get out if he is given the chance, I hope so, but have to admit that, knowing Obama, it's probably not, and knowing Qaddafi, won't be seen as such anyway.

I'm a certified Class A coward but even I would be willing to fight to the death if I was 68 and and only thing I had to lose was being tried in the Hague until 2050, while a whole nation was mine to gain.

My views on this are clear, getting involved in ANY WAY here is Obama's biggest mistake yet. Practically anything else he has done can be justified in one way or another and may yet work to his advantage. This, however, is nearly certain to turn out very badly. If he loses we look like the ultimate paper tiger and Qaddafi remains, as very probably the leader of anti-US Islam, the man who beat the Great Satan. If Muammar loses we get, most likely, an even more American hating regime in power or one at best viewed by radical Islam as yet another American puppet, ripe for terrorism and destabilisation. Yes, Obama was handed a turd sandwich but Presidents are supposed to turn these into pastrami on rye, not make us chow down on them with puke on the side for the next 20 years.

03-31-2011, 06:43 AM	#12
Frdsdx26 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 467 Senior Member	What I fail to understand is how this is public info. Anyways until we know the details of the arms it's hard to pass judgment. I was never a fan of blaming Charlie Wilson for arming bin Laden & co. After all it did beat the soviets. The Soviets were beaten already. Afghanistan, if it did anything, gave them another decade in power and left behind the very unstable remnant of a superpower we see today instead of what might be, by now, a resurging ally. Then again, the entire Cold War had largely that effect. I think, the disclosure may be due to his statement yesterday that arming the rebels was "not off the table". Remember, this statement is really just a written formality that only allows him to arm the rebels if he wants to, so it's no surprise. It doesn't necessarily mean he is, yet, and it may be almost obligatory given the statement he's made. In fact, both the statement and this memo may be negotiating tools, telling Muammar that it's time to get out if he is given the chance, I hope so, but have to admit that, knowing Obama, it's probably not, and knowing Qaddafi, won't be seen as such anyway. I'm a certified Class A coward but even I would be willing to fight to the death if I was 68 and and only thing I had to lose was being tried in the Hague until 2050, while a whole nation was mine to gain. My views on this are clear, getting involved in ANY WAY here is Obama's biggest mistake yet. Practically anything else he has done can be justified in one way or another and may yet work to his advantage. This, however, is nearly certain to turn out very badly. If he loses we look like the ultimate paper tiger and Qaddafi remains, as very probably the leader of anti-US Islam, the man who beat the Great Satan. If Muammar loses we get, most likely, an even more American hating regime in power or one at best viewed by radical Islam as yet another American puppet, ripe for terrorism and destabilisation. Yes, Obama was handed a turd sandwich but Presidents are supposed to turn these into pastrami on rye, not make us chow down on them with puke on the side for the next 20 years.
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