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**Bromymbollile** · 03-28-2011, 07:08 PM

This story has been growing legs for the past couple of months and it's looking more and more like there was a conspiracy to manufacture evidence in an effort to support legislation further restricting the availability of semi-auto rifles.

I've heard that conspiracy theory and I don't buy it just like I don't for other conspiracy theories. You'll also see this issue become a partisan dog chew toy with gratuitous accusations. If it turns out Obama or Holder knew about it and are lying to the public about their knowledge and evidence comes forward proving that, then they deserve what comes with it. However, there's no evidence I've seen produced to date supporting that they did.

What's clear to me is that this 'sting operation' existed. It had the intent of following the sale of the weapons so they would identify high-level members of these gangs and identify their other gang members and track their operations, etc. That part I understand. The problem with this kind of 'sting,' however, as opposed to using traceable drugs and money, etc, is that guns kill people (drugs do too, but I think you get the point). IMO, this means wasn't justified by the ends, it was a terrible piece of judgement that didn't take into account the 'law of unintended consequences,' and someone should be held responsible and this kind of thing prevented in the future.

That seems to be what will be happening:

. . . "I did not authorize it; Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. He's been very clear that our policy is to catch gun-runners and put them into jail," Obama said.

Clarity about what exactly took place during Project Gunrunner may come soon: Holder has asked the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has also launched his own probe. He told a radio show that he has four investigators working full-time to try and understand why guns were allowed to "walk" over the border without any safeguards in place.

Obama said that he would hold someone responsible if, indeed, a mistake was made.

"We have to make sure that we're enforcing the kinds of measures that will stop the flow of guns and cash down south that is helping to fuel these transnational drug cartels," he said.

"There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made," he said. "If that's the case, then we'll find out and we''ll hold someone accountable."

. . . President Obama on Project Gunrunner: A 'Serious Mistake' May Have Been Made | TPMMuckraker

I expect him to do so.

03-28-2011, 07:08 PM	#17
Bromymbollile Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	This story has been growing legs for the past couple of months and it's looking more and more like there was a conspiracy to manufacture evidence in an effort to support legislation further restricting the availability of semi-auto rifles. I've heard that conspiracy theory and I don't buy it just like I don't for other conspiracy theories. You'll also see this issue become a partisan dog chew toy with gratuitous accusations. If it turns out Obama or Holder knew about it and are lying to the public about their knowledge and evidence comes forward proving that, then they deserve what comes with it. However, there's no evidence I've seen produced to date supporting that they did. What's clear to me is that this 'sting operation' existed. It had the intent of following the sale of the weapons so they would identify high-level members of these gangs and identify their other gang members and track their operations, etc. That part I understand. The problem with this kind of 'sting,' however, as opposed to using traceable drugs and money, etc, is that guns kill people (drugs do too, but I think you get the point). IMO, this means wasn't justified by the ends, it was a terrible piece of judgement that didn't take into account the 'law of unintended consequences,' and someone should be held responsible and this kind of thing prevented in the future. That seems to be what will be happening: . . . "I did not authorize it; Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. He's been very clear that our policy is to catch gun-runners and put them into jail," Obama said. Clarity about what exactly took place during Project Gunrunner may come soon: Holder has asked the Justice Department's inspector general to investigate. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has also launched his own probe. He told a radio show that he has four investigators working full-time to try and understand why guns were allowed to "walk" over the border without any safeguards in place. Obama said that he would hold someone responsible if, indeed, a mistake was made. "We have to make sure that we're enforcing the kinds of measures that will stop the flow of guns and cash down south that is helping to fuel these transnational drug cartels," he said. "There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made," he said. "If that's the case, then we'll find out and we''ll hold someone accountable." . . . President Obama on Project Gunrunner: A 'Serious Mistake' May Have Been Made \| TPMMuckraker I expect him to do so.
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