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**acissombiapse** · 01-18-2011, 07:14 PM

I considered which arena to post this in, this one seems as good as any. Although it's about past civilizations, does it portend our demise?

BBC News - Roman rise and fall 'recorded in trees'

An extensive study of tree growth rings says there could be a link between the rise and fall of past civilisations and sudden shifts in Europe's climate.

Yes and No.

No, in the sense that our demise will not be the same, in the same manner, or for the same reasons.

Yes, in the sense of what others above have started to suggest. For one, our role as an economic super power is one now mocked around the world mostly due to the 'we did it to ourselves' disaster of 2007. Time and time again we build our economy on debt then destroy ourselves as a result still not learning the lesson. On the government front (which is tied of course) we just stopped acting as a world leader or anything along the lines of suggesting that we are doing things right. Follow our path as we are on the right one is not as easy to sell. Other countries lost respect (assuming it was there at all in some cases) long ago. Another issue resulting from this but was also in the making all on it's own is our terrible spending habits, currency controls, and debt concerns. A good bit supports this, not much against. Look at our increased spending (before and after the disaster of 2007,) look at our debt well on the rise, look at our dollar well on the decline, production not near what it could be if we focused on that as a country. Our own value as a country is not on the rise, has not for some time now, and our lack of production as a country all contributes to others economically and otherwise as lesser than we once were. We are still only a consumer debt driven market, very little else. Others see this, and see our growing weakness as a country. Our military might is probably the one standing thing we have left as a position of strength, but then again our leaders in recent times has not treated it with the respect it deserves. Our resources in that department are strained, under constant political whim and debate, etc. to say the least.

Will we stop being a super power? In some ways I think we already have but overall we probably will just hang on in other ways. However to achieve this we will need cooperation from other countries as we just cannot do it on our own. Again, weakness and with the path we are on it may not change any time soon. Since we are already in a position were we need financial help (as an example) to continue, year over year, we are already on that path needing cooperation for economic survival. That is anything but a position of strength.

01-18-2011, 07:14 PM	#16
acissombiapse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	I considered which arena to post this in, this one seems as good as any. Although it's about past civilizations, does it portend our demise? BBC News - Roman rise and fall 'recorded in trees' An extensive study of tree growth rings says there could be a link between the rise and fall of past civilisations and sudden shifts in Europe's climate. Yes and No. No, in the sense that our demise will not be the same, in the same manner, or for the same reasons. Yes, in the sense of what others above have started to suggest. For one, our role as an economic super power is one now mocked around the world mostly due to the 'we did it to ourselves' disaster of 2007. Time and time again we build our economy on debt then destroy ourselves as a result still not learning the lesson. On the government front (which is tied of course) we just stopped acting as a world leader or anything along the lines of suggesting that we are doing things right. Follow our path as we are on the right one is not as easy to sell. Other countries lost respect (assuming it was there at all in some cases) long ago. Another issue resulting from this but was also in the making all on it's own is our terrible spending habits, currency controls, and debt concerns. A good bit supports this, not much against. Look at our increased spending (before and after the disaster of 2007,) look at our debt well on the rise, look at our dollar well on the decline, production not near what it could be if we focused on that as a country. Our own value as a country is not on the rise, has not for some time now, and our lack of production as a country all contributes to others economically and otherwise as lesser than we once were. We are still only a consumer debt driven market, very little else. Others see this, and see our growing weakness as a country. Our military might is probably the one standing thing we have left as a position of strength, but then again our leaders in recent times has not treated it with the respect it deserves. Our resources in that department are strained, under constant political whim and debate, etc. to say the least. Will we stop being a super power? In some ways I think we already have but overall we probably will just hang on in other ways. However to achieve this we will need cooperation from other countries as we just cannot do it on our own. Again, weakness and with the path we are on it may not change any time soon. Since we are already in a position were we need financial help (as an example) to continue, year over year, we are already on that path needing cooperation for economic survival. That is anything but a position of strength.
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