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**Lhiistyssdds** · 09-11-2012, 06:04 AM

He is one malevolent son of a buck messed up entity and i don't like him.

That is all.

I agree.

Evil exists... we can all agree on that.

God, if he/she/it does exist, supposedly created EVERYTHING.

1 - If God is omniscient (sees everything, including the future) then God MUST have seen that evil would occur.

2 - If God is omnipotent (all powerful), then God can CERTAINLY prevent evil from occurring.

THUS:

God is omnipotent and omniscient, AND allows evil to continue to exist (which makes God evil by definition), or...

God is omniscient, but not omnipotent, yet created everything (including evil) anyway even though God KNEW evil would arise, which makes God just as evil, or..

God is omnipotent, but not omniscient, and had no idea that evil would arise. That makes God indistinguishable from the "forces of nature" in their blind randomness, so why even consider such a being as being different from or outside of nature itself, or...

God is neither omniscient nor omnipotent, in which case why call him/her/it God at all?

Christians will undoubtably reply with the "freewill" argument, which I spit upon with the utmost contempt... if God were truly good, he would segregate/incarcerate/rehabilitate or destroy the doers of evil, and rectify the damages done (this IS, after all, a being that can supposedly turn back time and resurrect people from the dead!). We could STILL have free will in such a world, we just wouldn't have the "freedom" to harm our fellow man. Hey... we don't currently have the "freedom" to walk through walls, does that REALLY make us any less "free" or rob us of our "free will"? I don't think so.

I cannot accept the idea that a "God" who would create a world such as the one we live in could by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION be a being of "Love" and "Goodness".

This is a large part of why I am an Atheist, other than the complete illogic and irrationality of the whole God idea to begin with.

BTW, do you folks want this to remain in General Discussion, or should we move it to the Religion section?

09-11-2012, 06:04 AM	#23
Lhiistyssdds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	He is one malevolent son of a buck messed up entity and i don't like him. That is all. I agree. Evil exists... we can all agree on that. God, if he/she/it does exist, supposedly created EVERYTHING. 1 - If God is omniscient (sees everything, including the future) then God MUST have seen that evil would occur. 2 - If God is omnipotent (all powerful), then God can CERTAINLY prevent evil from occurring. THUS: God is omnipotent and omniscient, AND allows evil to continue to exist (which makes God evil by definition), or... God is omniscient, but not omnipotent, yet created everything (including evil) anyway even though God KNEW evil would arise, which makes God just as evil, or.. God is omnipotent, but not omniscient, and had no idea that evil would arise. That makes God indistinguishable from the "forces of nature" in their blind randomness, so why even consider such a being as being different from or outside of nature itself, or... God is neither omniscient nor omnipotent, in which case why call him/her/it God at all? Christians will undoubtably reply with the "freewill" argument, which I spit upon with the utmost contempt... if God were truly good, he would segregate/incarcerate/rehabilitate or destroy the doers of evil, and rectify the damages done (this IS, after all, a being that can supposedly turn back time and resurrect people from the dead!). We could STILL have free will in such a world, we just wouldn't have the "freedom" to harm our fellow man. Hey... we don't currently have the "freedom" to walk through walls, does that REALLY make us any less "free" or rob us of our "free will"? I don't think so. I cannot accept the idea that a "God" who would create a world such as the one we live in could by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION be a being of "Love" and "Goodness". This is a large part of why I am an Atheist, other than the complete illogic and irrationality of the whole God idea to begin with. BTW, do you folks want this to remain in General Discussion, or should we move it to the Religion section?
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