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**mudozvonf** · 08-21-2012, 08:16 PM

I liked this response at the site, it sorts of give the bigger picture of what happened here:

#4 | Bob | August 20th, 2012 at 12:03 amYeah, this is god damned ridiculous. I realize I’ve been a critic in the past, but unless there is a KNOWN SERIOUS DANGER in that field… the police had no business intervening. Was the field full of Copperheads? No? Bulls and Cows in heat? No?
Dave, FOIA request? Really? In Virginia? Good luck with that.
Here’s the problem. And you’re going to have to step back and look at the really big picture to see this. Human Societies can’t exist in a steady state, they must evolve. Invariably, left to their own devices, they evolve to a more complex state. Look at the Death Penalty… in 1850, a guy was just escorted from the court room and hanged in the most convenient spot… Today, an entire litany (costing millions of dollars.) of required appeals must be preformed before the execution can take place.
Did either system prevent innocent people from being executed? Hell no!
Complexity of system doesn’t always equal better. Or fairer. There will always be abuse because as complexity increases, political manipulability increases as well.
You can’t unwind the inevitable increase of complexity of human civilizations once they take place.
At some point… you have to realize… “Holy crap! Utopia can’t exist. We’re doomed to repeat the same cycles.”

08-21-2012, 08:16 PM	#5
mudozvonf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	I liked this response at the site, it sorts of give the bigger picture of what happened here: #4 \| Bob \| August 20th, 2012 at 12:03 amYeah, this is god damned ridiculous. I realize I’ve been a critic in the past, but unless there is a KNOWN SERIOUS DANGER in that field… the police had no business intervening. Was the field full of Copperheads? No? Bulls and Cows in heat? No? Dave, FOIA request? Really? In Virginia? Good luck with that. Here’s the problem. And you’re going to have to step back and look at the really big picture to see this. Human Societies can’t exist in a steady state, they must evolve. Invariably, left to their own devices, they evolve to a more complex state. Look at the Death Penalty… in 1850, a guy was just escorted from the court room and hanged in the most convenient spot… Today, an entire litany (costing millions of dollars.) of required appeals must be preformed before the execution can take place. Did either system prevent innocent people from being executed? Hell no! Complexity of system doesn’t always equal better. Or fairer. There will always be abuse because as complexity increases, political manipulability increases as well. You can’t unwind the inevitable increase of complexity of human civilizations once they take place. At some point… you have to realize… “Holy crap! Utopia can’t exist. We’re doomed to repeat the same cycles.”
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