Dysgenic, you wrote that yourself, I give you great credit. And you wrote it in a timely fashion when it is needed. Many people follow their friends around when they do wrong, follow likable personable people, affable people, " the life of the party ", many women are like this too in relationships, they don't like the " boring " " too serious " guy who does not lie and refuses to put on a mask. Dysgenic wrote what he wrote I strongly believe because of Joe King. Joe King a divider. He is in chat befriending people, not just on these forums. Some people here would tell me to shut up, they should shut it, this is a good case study, just as gim was a good case study, we all learn. This is a shit hit the fan forum, it does disturb me when I see people here that are more aware and awake fall for this type of crap with someone that is messed up in the head judging him by his posts " of substance. " People here should be leaders, encourage others to do the right thing, stand for the right thing, support the righteous, stand together in unity where ever possible. The Sirens, an old allegory, what is it about, ? , follow the Sirens, sweet tongues in your ear, destroy your ship, destroy your men, destroy yourself. Do not follow the Sirens ! This is why dysgenic isn't getting a thanks. lol " This is why arguments appealing to ethnocentricity are so powerful. " ? ? ? Is that an emotional argument or a logical argument ? LOL ! What is dysgenic saying here ?