Dogman this is my last post in this thread. I spend a lot of time with my brother in law who flew tankers over Vietnam to fuel up the fighters. He told me he used to take out the trash too, that's what his fellow pilots called it when they were hauling bodies. It was extremely difficult for him. It was an ugly war and the same people who were making money on that one are still making money on the ongoing wars. It makes me sick to think about it.