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**johnsonjunior** · 10-17-2011, 12:45 PM

Yes, you can use SAEs and GAEs at face value.

Simply because one chooses to not participate in fraud does not qualify them as stupid.

Why couldn't it have been devalued and left in circulation?

Why don't you ask congress. They have been assigned the duty of establishing the value of money.

How does anyone know if you use it or not? Anyone that matters, that is.

You know. Do you matter?

Everything I aquire is private property. How does anyone know what form of "money" I used to aquire said item?

How can you ACQUIRE private property when you ARE private property?

As example, if I mow my neighbors lawn for the agreed upon price of $31.98 {current silver spot} and when I finsh mowing I am offered FRNs worth $31.98 and I take them to the store and trade them for a product I want, how does anyone or anything ever know how I got it or that I didn't use silver money to buy it?
They can't prove I used FRNs so it can't be claimed as theirs. {the Feds}

The test is if you can exist as a free man and continue to HOLD possession. What do you own that is not subject to seizure?

Or conversely, if I am offered an SAE at metal weight value for mowing and I use it to aquire the same item, how does anyone know what I gave for it or that I didn't use FRNs?

Same TEST. Can it be seized? Are you willing to protect your possession with your blood?

Either way there is no record of any of the transactions.

What need of records when we (society) can just come in an take it?

That is the use of the item.

Usufruct originates from civil law, where it is a real right of limited duration on the property of another. The holder of an usufruct, known as the usufructuary, has the right to use and enjoy the property, as well as the right to receive profits from the fruits of the property. The English word usufruct derives from the Latin expression usus et fructus, meaning "use and enjoyment", cognate to English "use and fruits".

Use is simply the possession. Usufruct is the possession and ENJOYMENT. Both concepts are from civil (Roman) law to the extent that the common law draws from the Roman law. Communist law takes private property rights. You have no defense against such a state that desires to separate you from your property. That is because you have no property. You are property instead (chattel ... cattle).

This has all been perfectly fascinating, Joe, but if you really want to investigate these ideas I suggest you think of all the ways a free man is free and all the ways a slave can be controlled. Then as a test just take one of those slave controlled mechanisms and treat it as if you were instead free. Proclaim your freedom in this area to the state and watch the result. You will learn much more by doing this than by theorizing that you are free in every way.

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johnsonjunior Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 522 Senior Member	Yes, you can use SAEs and GAEs at face value. Simply because one chooses to not participate in fraud does not qualify them as stupid. Why couldn't it have been devalued and left in circulation? Why don't you ask congress. They have been assigned the duty of establishing the value of money. How does anyone know if you use it or not? Anyone that matters, that is. You know. Do you matter? Everything I aquire is private property. How does anyone know what form of "money" I used to aquire said item? How can you ACQUIRE private property when you ARE private property? As example, if I mow my neighbors lawn for the agreed upon price of $31.98 {current silver spot} and when I finsh mowing I am offered FRNs worth $31.98 and I take them to the store and trade them for a product I want, how does anyone or anything ever know how I got it or that I didn't use silver money to buy it? They can't prove I used FRNs so it can't be claimed as theirs. {the Feds} The test is if you can exist as a free man and continue to HOLD possession. What do you own that is not subject to seizure? Or conversely, if I am offered an SAE at metal weight value for mowing and I use it to aquire the same item, how does anyone know what I gave for it or that I didn't use FRNs? Same TEST. Can it be seized? Are you willing to protect your possession with your blood? Either way there is no record of any of the transactions. What need of records when we (society) can just come in an take it? That is the use of the item. Usufruct originates from civil law, where it is a real right of limited duration on the property of another. The holder of an usufruct, known as the usufructuary, has the right to use and enjoy the property, as well as the right to receive profits from the fruits of the property. The English word usufruct derives from the Latin expression usus et fructus, meaning "use and enjoyment", cognate to English "use and fruits". Use is simply the possession. Usufruct is the possession and ENJOYMENT. Both concepts are from civil (Roman) law to the extent that the common law draws from the Roman law. Communist law takes private property rights. You have no defense against such a state that desires to separate you from your property. That is because you have no property. You are property instead (chattel ... cattle). This has all been perfectly fascinating, Joe, but if you really want to investigate these ideas I suggest you think of all the ways a free man is free and all the ways a slave can be controlled. Then as a test just take one of those slave controlled mechanisms and treat it as if you were instead free. Proclaim your freedom in this area to the state and watch the result. You will learn much more by doing this than by theorizing that you are free in every way.
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