[IteseFrusty]

thanks for the info. my supervisor has gooseberries at home but no thorns on fruit. maybe they should, the rabbits and deer are decimating his veggie garden... that stretch of highway has some very interesting plants growing along it! and to think I never paid any attention, and it has these fruit, a native orchid, bloodroot, both false and true solomon seal, and a bunch of other interesting things (all within one mile)

oh, I forgot. there are two native orchids; the helleborine and spiranthes romanzoffiana.