I am not surprised if he is out. I have always been surprised that he was IN. When compared to Daniel Ricciardo, most likely to find a seat at Toro Rosso if one of the current drivers are promoted after Webber leaves - and beyond 2011 I dount that - Hartley is seriously found wanting. His simulator work may be excellent but would he want to end up like Gary Paffet as far as f1 is concerned? There are so many good up and coming other drivers and these days with F1 so safe and the likelihood of injury outside of a freak accident so improbable, drivers tend to have careers on average almost TWICE what it used to be. Even 300ths slower - as Nelson Piquet was for example - is TOO slow. Hartley is a competent driver, nothing special, and can if he can associate with a good agent, have a great motor racing career - just not in f1.