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**lierro** · 01-11-2009, 07:09 PM

people need to learn the ability to measure ones performances with reference to the ability of the car they are driving.

Impossible task unless a driver is beating the field while driving a car that is well known to be inferior to the ones he beats, and this with no exceptional events involved during the race. (Only Vettel's win in Monza comes close to this).

...in particular Alonso (who is still the best driver in F1, he just is, deal with it english)

There goes your less bit of objectivity down the drain.

Also the ability of a driver to help his team develop the car is also a massively important thing and something that if either massa or hamilton had mastered then one of them would have won the championship well before brazil! And Hamilton's inexperience is no excuse because Vettel showed that he is capable of developing a car this year that was capable of beating RBR which is supposedly the big brother team.

We have no idea how much any of them is helping develop the car they drive.
For all it's worth given the level of the cars at the end of the season it looks like Massa (especially) and Hamilton did a damn fine work in developing their cars (just compare it to how their team mates fared).

1. Alonso - it's fairly clear that he is still the best just driving second rate gear

Yeah "fairly" clear but I fail to see any proof for it!

2. Vettel - fairly obvious...

Again "fairly obvious" but no proof from you. In fact agree that he was at least the 2nd best driver during last season, but he had exceptional results obtained against strong opposition when top drivers didn't get DNF's or had unusual problems during the race.

3. Kubica - utterly consistent, something that cannot be associated with massa or hamilton

I disagree, he is very fast sometimes, but only consistently average overall. And where are his skills in developing a car? as far as everything points Heidfeld is at least as consistent and better at improving the car and setting it up to his own liking (Spa rings a bell).

4. Massa - should have won the championship, but didn't

Very subjective and dismissing comment while Ferrari acknowledged that they were at fault for destroying his chances with stupid mistakes.

5. Hamilton - won the championship, but only because his rival was inconsistent

Like it or not he won it because he got more points than the others. I don't like him but he did well last season. I don't rate him as high as Vettel or Massa but way over Kubica for example.

I guess i should put on a flame proof suit now to protect myself from all those that think lewis is the second coming of jesus....

You better start supporting your views with some proof, that might help you not write rubbish next time.

01-11-2009, 07:09 PM	#22
lierro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 469 Senior Member	people need to learn the ability to measure ones performances with reference to the ability of the car they are driving. Impossible task unless a driver is beating the field while driving a car that is well known to be inferior to the ones he beats, and this with no exceptional events involved during the race. (Only Vettel's win in Monza comes close to this). ...in particular Alonso (who is still the best driver in F1, he just is, deal with it english) There goes your less bit of objectivity down the drain. Also the ability of a driver to help his team develop the car is also a massively important thing and something that if either massa or hamilton had mastered then one of them would have won the championship well before brazil! And Hamilton's inexperience is no excuse because Vettel showed that he is capable of developing a car this year that was capable of beating RBR which is supposedly the big brother team. We have no idea how much any of them is helping develop the car they drive. For all it's worth given the level of the cars at the end of the season it looks like Massa (especially) and Hamilton did a damn fine work in developing their cars (just compare it to how their team mates fared). 1. Alonso - it's fairly clear that he is still the best just driving second rate gear Yeah "fairly" clear but I fail to see any proof for it! 2. Vettel - fairly obvious... Again "fairly obvious" but no proof from you. In fact agree that he was at least the 2nd best driver during last season, but he had exceptional results obtained against strong opposition when top drivers didn't get DNF's or had unusual problems during the race. 3. Kubica - utterly consistent, something that cannot be associated with massa or hamilton I disagree, he is very fast sometimes, but only consistently average overall. And where are his skills in developing a car? as far as everything points Heidfeld is at least as consistent and better at improving the car and setting it up to his own liking (Spa rings a bell). 4. Massa - should have won the championship, but didn't Very subjective and dismissing comment while Ferrari acknowledged that they were at fault for destroying his chances with stupid mistakes. 5. Hamilton - won the championship, but only because his rival was inconsistent Like it or not he won it because he got more points than the others. I don't like him but he did well last season. I don't rate him as high as Vettel or Massa but way over Kubica for example. I guess i should put on a flame proof suit now to protect myself from all those that think lewis is the second coming of jesus.... You better start supporting your views with some proof, that might help you not write rubbish next time.
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