ioan, there are facts and opinions. Facts 2008 doesn't count. 2007 JB in the Honda beat TS in the SA when the SA was considered the better performing car. (Wind Tunnel ) 2006 JB smokes TS 56 Vs 0 but the Honda was a good car that year compared to the SA. 2005 JB 72 - TS 1 in the BAR 2004 JB 85 - TS 34 in the BAR 2003 JB 17 - TS 3 2002 JB is in the Renault where he smokes his team mate Trulli. TS is in the Jordan where he's beaten by his team mate Fisi. So, your opinion is that Sato out drove Button but the reality is the opposite. Still, this is the all new and improved soft, cuddly, sweet smelling forum so your opinion is perfectly valid if backed up by fantasy rather than fact