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**MannyLopez** · 10-14-2011, 10:21 PM

Quite frankly, here in the U.S., he'd be a "pit bull" to most people you asked and you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise. Then again, to many people in the U.S., SBT's are "pit bulls" too. After all, the SBT's were not a formally recognized breed until the 1930's (in Europe. later in the U.S.) and they came from the same dogs in Europe as did the APBT and American Staffordshire Terrier (AST).

I can most certainly understand that under the present circumstance of law, that an Englishman would bristle at the mere though of an SBT as a pit bull, but that's how it is here in some quarters.

My own personal feeling is that there is only one true "pit bull" and that is the APBT, but main stream media and the general public have taken the term "pit bull" to encompass several breeds.

You will find many dogs that look like your Jake, here in the U.S. and most often passed, whether correctly or not, as an APBT. The reason being ... there are no red nosed ASTs. In AST's, red nose is a fault and has been bred out. And Jake does not fit the standard for an SBT (red nose is rare in an SBT as well isn't it?).

10-14-2011, 10:21 PM	#14
MannyLopez Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 511 Senior Member	Quite frankly, here in the U.S., he'd be a "pit bull" to most people you asked and you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise. Then again, to many people in the U.S., SBT's are "pit bulls" too. After all, the SBT's were not a formally recognized breed until the 1930's (in Europe. later in the U.S.) and they came from the same dogs in Europe as did the APBT and American Staffordshire Terrier (AST). I can most certainly understand that under the present circumstance of law, that an Englishman would bristle at the mere though of an SBT as a pit bull, but that's how it is here in some quarters. My own personal feeling is that there is only one true "pit bull" and that is the APBT, but main stream media and the general public have taken the term "pit bull" to encompass several breeds. You will find many dogs that look like your Jake, here in the U.S. and most often passed, whether correctly or not, as an APBT. The reason being ... there are no red nosed ASTs. In AST's, red nose is a fault and has been bred out. And Jake does not fit the standard for an SBT (red nose is rare in an SBT as well isn't it?).
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