Just so you know, I wasn't saying that sarcastically or anything, it was more of a musing that I was thinking when I replied. lol I meant to look them up in OFA but just haven't had time. They have some nice West German working bred dogs. Having 2 breeds breeding kinda makes me leary but it all depends on the situation and the people. I can tell you that I really like their dogs and that agility isn't easy with a GSD. I'm thinking of contact them cause I like their lines and the looks. Never hurts to have one more contact in dogs! In breeding temperament is the most important in my book!! OT- Papillions are CUTE and fun little dogs, there are a TON of them in my OB club and they are smart.....scary smart.