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**lapyignipinge** · 11-17-2010, 05:18 PM

Rita is out of heat and over the false pregnancy. Its time to get her spayed, but Hoagr's thread freaked me out.

Pro: Rita has a hormone imbalance and the false pregnancies that follow her heat cycles put her at higher risk for pyometra and mastitis, spaying her would knock those risks out.

I wouldn't have to deal with the mess of heat

Con: She has a heart murmur and there is increased risk of death while she is under.

Possible spay incontinence

Other complications that could result in her death

I am so on the fence about this. The vet said the risks are worth the reward and if it was her dog she would spay. She said they can only use a certain type of anestesia and that she wil have to be carefully monitored during the procedure. Logically, I get that. But the risks to her while under and possibilities of complications post surgery really scare me.

If I am going to do it I have to do it soon or she will go into heat again and they can't spay her during heat or post heat false pregnancy because the procedure is more complicated and she would be under too long for it to be safe. If it wasn't for the hormone imbalanceand infection risks I wouldn't even be considering it.

Thoughts? What would you do?

Gee,that's a tough one. The heart murmur under anesthsia is what would worry me. I do know they make an injection that stops heat cycles in dogs. Its a doggy version of the lupron depot shot in humans. It's exspensive BUT it would prevent her hormones from bringing her into season wich would lower her pyo risk,but NOT be putting her under. I do NOT know wether it can be safely used long term or not.Only a vet can answer that.

I had the false pregnancies with my one GSD,and the constant cycling.She had false LABOR everytime(tried to push out imaginary puppies) and cycled every 4 months.She was miserable.She did not,however have the heart issue to weigh in on.She was spayed due to her heats being so unbearable for her.In a lot of ways,I regret spaying her-but in some ways it has been better for her. I know I upped her risk for certain cancers,endocrine and joint disorders.In the other sense,she can 'be a dog' and has not had to deal with the heats,pseudopregs and yoyo hormones. She is much happier being spayed. I often wonder if I made the right call.I feel I did,but I hate having to make the choices with only the ''lesser of evils'' as options.

I guess,what I am trying to get at is......If your vet knows the EXACT nature of her heart issue and finds it safe.I would spay her with the extra precautions in place. If not,I would do more heart screening to understand exactly what is wrong with her heart before spaying her. Surgery is a risk for anyone undergoing it,not just people and animals with underlying issues. Lessing and assessing the risks and benifits are all one can do,prior to undergoing surgery. It's never a cut and dry issue or result.

11-17-2010, 05:18 PM	#9
lapyignipinge Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 576 Senior Member	Rita is out of heat and over the false pregnancy. Its time to get her spayed, but Hoagr's thread freaked me out. Pro: Rita has a hormone imbalance and the false pregnancies that follow her heat cycles put her at higher risk for pyometra and mastitis, spaying her would knock those risks out. I wouldn't have to deal with the mess of heat Con: She has a heart murmur and there is increased risk of death while she is under. Possible spay incontinence Other complications that could result in her death I am so on the fence about this. The vet said the risks are worth the reward and if it was her dog she would spay. She said they can only use a certain type of anestesia and that she wil have to be carefully monitored during the procedure. Logically, I get that. But the risks to her while under and possibilities of complications post surgery really scare me. If I am going to do it I have to do it soon or she will go into heat again and they can't spay her during heat or post heat false pregnancy because the procedure is more complicated and she would be under too long for it to be safe. If it wasn't for the hormone imbalanceand infection risks I wouldn't even be considering it. Thoughts? What would you do? Gee,that's a tough one. The heart murmur under anesthsia is what would worry me. I do know they make an injection that stops heat cycles in dogs. Its a doggy version of the lupron depot shot in humans. It's exspensive BUT it would prevent her hormones from bringing her into season wich would lower her pyo risk,but NOT be putting her under. I do NOT know wether it can be safely used long term or not.Only a vet can answer that. I had the false pregnancies with my one GSD,and the constant cycling.She had false LABOR everytime(tried to push out imaginary puppies) and cycled every 4 months.She was miserable.She did not,however have the heart issue to weigh in on.She was spayed due to her heats being so unbearable for her.In a lot of ways,I regret spaying her-but in some ways it has been better for her. I know I upped her risk for certain cancers,endocrine and joint disorders.In the other sense,she can 'be a dog' and has not had to deal with the heats,pseudopregs and yoyo hormones. She is much happier being spayed. I often wonder if I made the right call.I feel I did,but I hate having to make the choices with only the ''lesser of evils'' as options. I guess,what I am trying to get at is......If your vet knows the EXACT nature of her heart issue and finds it safe.I would spay her with the extra precautions in place. If not,I would do more heart screening to understand exactly what is wrong with her heart before spaying her. Surgery is a risk for anyone undergoing it,not just people and animals with underlying issues. Lessing and assessing the risks and benifits are all one can do,prior to undergoing surgery. It's never a cut and dry issue or result.
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