actually i am very familiar with that line of thinking and i agree. in fact, the only real dogman that ive known never registered any of his dogs and back when they used to fight dogs around here the winners came from his yard. i did not create this thread to rub it in anyones face, i am not a petty person and i have no time for things like that. i just hoped to learn something new. i appreciate you wishing me well, thanks.