so if less than 50 % of a dogs close up heritage is untested...thats a gamebred dog in your book is it ?...some folk just dont set their standards high enough if thats the case. yes carver put game dogs and match winners out into the game so what....it still doesnt make his breeding principals correct in what we today know to be " breeding gamedogs "......if you want to take carvers word to the bank because he had a good record in dogs then so be it..... ronald mcdonald has a good name in cheeseburgers but he probably couldnt cook one !.....some folk hang on every word they are told by their elders and betters without even questioning it..........i used to sit for many hours talking breeding with one of the best breeders i ever knew in the game but as much as i learned there was some stuff i plain didnt agree with....breeding is about opinions,if one man was right we would all just copy him !