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**JaK_MarkoV_Pi** · 08-31-2009, 11:37 AM

Lol I feel like we are just going in circles here.

We are not getting the terminology confused here. My opinion on Carver's breeding program is that he put gamebred pups on the ground. I don't care if his females were tested or not. He produced alot of good dogs.

Some breeders would breed a female because of the blood that's running through her body or the fact that her siblings have proven to be game. And if you think that none of today's top breeders don't breed to untested females...well that's your opinion. Cause I won't be surprised if some of them have.

No one has the science of breeding gamedogs down...period! If they did, then they would have produced all game litters on after another. Whether its today understanding of science or nutrition or genetics.

I'm not cheaping the word "game" because I feel that Carver produced gamebred pups. If that's how you see it, so be it.

No one is willing to lose a good bitch because some won't test a female like they do with their stud dogs.

I've said it before, one man's cur is another man's game winner...

you are wrong....if a pup is born from an untested female he is not a gamebred pup...how can he be if his dam never proved gameness ????

....this is what i mean by some people just believe anything they are told without questioning the reality of it......if muhammed ali told me to eat read meat to be a great boxer im sorry i just couldnt go along with it in todays times just because its muhammed ali !!....times change....

now the one BIG thing i think you are neglecting here which is an age old saying and having bred these dogs over the last 25 years i have found it to be possibly THE most valuable piece of advice i was ever told...........

" THE DOG MAKES THE PEDIGREE....NOT THE PEDIGREE MAKES THE DOG "

consistently breeding from untested dogs is naive and plain wrong i dont care if the queen of england the president of america or maurice carver told me otherwise this is 2009 and breeding principals have come a long way as has our knowledge......we have to stack the odds in our favour in every and any way possible....

08-31-2009, 11:37 AM	#37
JaK_MarkoV_Pi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	Lol I feel like we are just going in circles here. We are not getting the terminology confused here. My opinion on Carver's breeding program is that he put gamebred pups on the ground. I don't care if his females were tested or not. He produced alot of good dogs. Some breeders would breed a female because of the blood that's running through her body or the fact that her siblings have proven to be game. And if you think that none of today's top breeders don't breed to untested females...well that's your opinion. Cause I won't be surprised if some of them have. No one has the science of breeding gamedogs down...period! If they did, then they would have produced all game litters on after another. Whether its today understanding of science or nutrition or genetics. I'm not cheaping the word "game" because I feel that Carver produced gamebred pups. If that's how you see it, so be it. No one is willing to lose a good bitch because some won't test a female like they do with their stud dogs. I've said it before, one man's cur is another man's game winner... you are wrong....if a pup is born from an untested female he is not a gamebred pup...how can he be if his dam never proved gameness ????....this is what i mean by some people just believe anything they are told without questioning the reality of it......if muhammed ali told me to eat read meat to be a great boxer im sorry i just couldnt go along with it in todays times just because its muhammed ali !!....times change.... now the one BIG thing i think you are neglecting here which is an age old saying and having bred these dogs over the last 25 years i have found it to be possibly THE most valuable piece of advice i was ever told........... " THE DOG MAKES THE PEDIGREE....NOT THE PEDIGREE MAKES THE DOG " consistently breeding from untested dogs is naive and plain wrong i dont care if the queen of england the president of america or maurice carver told me otherwise this is 2009 and breeding principals have come a long way as has our knowledge......we have to stack the odds in our favour in every and any way possible....
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