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**BalaGire** · 06-05-2011, 08:13 PM

I agree with you: Al Qaeda is a brand and not a monolithic organization with a clear command structure. However, dishonest cocksuckers in the government and mainstream media DO portray Al Qaeda as a monolithic organization (the very news release that is the subject of this thread is but one example), as if it were merely an international fundamentalist Moslem version of the IRA or FARC.

In my opinion it's more a matter of the ignorant trying to give the impression that they're "in the know" than willful dishonesty.

Not all the time, but most of the time.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

I've been reading for a few days now how, "Special Forces Navy SEAL commandos from SEAL Team 6, yada, yada, yada"

Really?

SEAL Special Forces?

SEAL Team 6?

The first doesn't exist and the second hasn't existed for years.

Once they start in with that kinda shit I figure anything thereafter is equally ignorat bullshit.

Since you agree that Al Qaeda is a brand, how is this news story meaningful? Even with a franchise'd brand you still have some kind of corporate "home office" overseeing things and running the business.

Joe Shmoe might own the McDonalds on the corner of 1st and Main, but he doens't own McDonalds and still has to conform to McDonalds' corporate policies, buy his supplies throught McDonalds central distribution (or whatever), carry the McDonalds brand, etc...

It's the same, kinda, with al Qaida.

Whether you're AQ, AQI, AQAP, etc... you're still part of al Qaida and have similar goals (though geographically differentiated).

You still funnel funding to the AQ-proper coffers and get your funding doled out by the same.

It also seems that the closer you get to the top of your AQ franchise, the closer you also get to the top of AQ Corporate. That is to say that Muhamed bin Nutsack in Iraq doesn't have an open line of communication to the top of AQ, but his boos, or his boss's boss probably does - in some capacity.

What I'm assuming, and this is really just an assumption, is that the AQ franchise leadership in Yemen and on the AP who put out the word that OBL is dead weren't just low-level nobodies running their suck.

AQ is a criminal organization, kinda, but not really, like the mafia.

If you're not in a position of authority or authorized to be putting out word in the name of AQ then I suspect putting out word in the name of AQ is gonna get you dead real quick.

Therefore I'm inclined to believe that the word coming out of AQ is official. Whether or not it's true is another matter entirely.

Again, I'm inclined to believe it is true.

For AQ, and for a lot of their Islamist supporters, this is like JFK just got shot.

OBL was THE man. He was their nominal leader and hero.

Now he's dead? And the Americans killed him?

They're angry, they're sad, they don't know where to go, what to do, what to think. The rank and file I mean.

Word went out to recognize the death of a great man, THE great man.

They need to mourn him.

And they need to acknowledge his passing because they've still got a mission and are gonna need some new leadership.

They can't fill that void until OBL's death becomes "real" to the faithful.

It's what I would do.

The alternative is that it's disinformation, but still official word (for the same "you don't cross the mafia" reasons that I gave above).

If this is the case it strikes me as inexplicable.

It doesn't make sense that the U.S. and AQ would be telling the same lie.

It might happen, but I really think that would be a stretch.

What kinda drives the nail for me is that the Yemeni AQ rep made his announcement four days ago.

If it took a couple days to come out (as with the AQAP announcement) I'd be sceptical.

But for the operation to go down and the next day someone in AQ is already making the announcement?

Why?

Was there already a plan in place to announce that OBL was dead in the (completely unlikely) event that the U.S. actually did invade the soverign space of Pakistan (after five years of his living there completly unmolested) and kill the dude?

And they'd leave it to a dude in Yemen to make that announcement?

Again, doesn't make sense to me.

Given all the details, especially that the U.S. and AQ are playing the same tune, I believe that the dude really is dead and really was killed the other night.

06-05-2011, 08:13 PM	#33
BalaGire Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 452 Senior Member	I agree with you: Al Qaeda is a brand and not a monolithic organization with a clear command structure. However, dishonest cocksuckers in the government and mainstream media DO portray Al Qaeda as a monolithic organization (the very news release that is the subject of this thread is but one example), as if it were merely an international fundamentalist Moslem version of the IRA or FARC. In my opinion it's more a matter of the ignorant trying to give the impression that they're "in the know" than willful dishonesty. Not all the time, but most of the time. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. I've been reading for a few days now how, "Special Forces Navy SEAL commandos from SEAL Team 6, yada, yada, yada" Really? SEAL Special Forces? SEAL Team 6? The first doesn't exist and the second hasn't existed for years. Once they start in with that kinda shit I figure anything thereafter is equally ignorat bullshit. Since you agree that Al Qaeda is a brand, how is this news story meaningful? Even with a franchise'd brand you still have some kind of corporate "home office" overseeing things and running the business. Joe Shmoe might own the McDonalds on the corner of 1st and Main, but he doens't own McDonalds and still has to conform to McDonalds' corporate policies, buy his supplies throught McDonalds central distribution (or whatever), carry the McDonalds brand, etc... It's the same, kinda, with al Qaida. Whether you're AQ, AQI, AQAP, etc... you're still part of al Qaida and have similar goals (though geographically differentiated). You still funnel funding to the AQ-proper coffers and get your funding doled out by the same. It also seems that the closer you get to the top of your AQ franchise, the closer you also get to the top of AQ Corporate. That is to say that Muhamed bin Nutsack in Iraq doesn't have an open line of communication to the top of AQ, but his boos, or his boss's boss probably does - in some capacity. What I'm assuming, and this is really just an assumption, is that the AQ franchise leadership in Yemen and on the AP who put out the word that OBL is dead weren't just low-level nobodies running their suck. AQ is a criminal organization, kinda, but not really, like the mafia. If you're not in a position of authority or authorized to be putting out word in the name of AQ then I suspect putting out word in the name of AQ is gonna get you dead real quick. Therefore I'm inclined to believe that the word coming out of AQ is official. Whether or not it's true is another matter entirely. Again, I'm inclined to believe it is true. For AQ, and for a lot of their Islamist supporters, this is like JFK just got shot. OBL was THE man. He was their nominal leader and hero. Now he's dead? And the Americans killed him? They're angry, they're sad, they don't know where to go, what to do, what to think. The rank and file I mean. Word went out to recognize the death of a great man, THE great man. They need to mourn him. And they need to acknowledge his passing because they've still got a mission and are gonna need some new leadership. They can't fill that void until OBL's death becomes "real" to the faithful. It's what I would do. The alternative is that it's disinformation, but still official word (for the same "you don't cross the mafia" reasons that I gave above). If this is the case it strikes me as inexplicable. It doesn't make sense that the U.S. and AQ would be telling the same lie. It might happen, but I really think that would be a stretch. What kinda drives the nail for me is that the Yemeni AQ rep made his announcement four days ago. If it took a couple days to come out (as with the AQAP announcement) I'd be sceptical. But for the operation to go down and the next day someone in AQ is already making the announcement? Why? Was there already a plan in place to announce that OBL was dead in the (completely unlikely) event that the U.S. actually did invade the soverign space of Pakistan (after five years of his living there completly unmolested) and kill the dude? And they'd leave it to a dude in Yemen to make that announcement? Again, doesn't make sense to me. Given all the details, especially that the U.S. and AQ are playing the same tune, I believe that the dude really is dead and really was killed the other night.
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