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**galaktiusman** · 01-04-2011, 07:17 PM

But these peaceful protesters do need weapons to defend freedom and democracy!

ARE THEY REALLY peaceful protesters in Benghazi Libya??? !!!!!!!!!! - ZOCIAL.tv

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I'll try to make you notice that, independently from your opinion or it's validity, the videos you use as sources aren't credible. They aren't even suitable as a source of information. Their manner to convey their information is suspicious : one video is a street scene devoid of context ; another is a diaporama with music. They count on emotions to convince, they're meant to be sensational, not rational. As for their content, I'll use three comparisons :
- France often has manifestations and protests, and more than often during those vandalism occurs. But vandalism is only due to a tiny group of either extremists or opportunists, while the vast majority cannot be reproached anything.
- The Tea Party in the US has been pictured as an angry mob.
- Union members have been presented as gangsters or equivalent - videos, more or less like yours, were used to "prove" it.
To say it from my perspective, that argument is a syllogism of which each premise is a particular, at best a Celarent. It cannot and shouldn't be generalized.

Even if it isn't the right thread to do it, I would also like to answer you specifically :
- NYT - NATO warns Libyan rebels...
- EUobserver - NATO frets over civilian casualties...
- middle east online - NATO probes report of Libyan civilian deaths
- CTVNews - NATO commander warns...
Asking you to be cautious about it, as I didn't check all of those sites to see if they looked serious - from first glance I believe they are. It's mostly what I found about the coalition's position on the rebels and civilian casualties : they acknowledge civilian deaths by their strikes and they warn the rebels not to harm civilians. I won't enter the details, I just hope you can assume from this, possibly, that the coalition's position toward those rebels is more nuanced than you believe.
Also, I could add that some people in Europe and the US do share your opinion on what the rebels are - just not for the same reasons.

01-04-2011, 07:17 PM	#14
galaktiusman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 415 Senior Member	But these peaceful protesters do need weapons to defend freedom and democracy! ARE THEY REALLY peaceful protesters in Benghazi Libya??? !!!!!!!!!! - ZOCIAL.tv ????? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ?. ?????? (D. Vader)... - ?????: ??????? ??????? ?????? ?????????????, ?????? ??? ?? ?????? - ????? 2 I'll try to make you notice that, independently from your opinion or it's validity, the videos you use as sources aren't credible. They aren't even suitable as a source of information. Their manner to convey their information is suspicious : one video is a street scene devoid of context ; another is a diaporama with music. They count on emotions to convince, they're meant to be sensational, not rational. As for their content, I'll use three comparisons : - France often has manifestations and protests, and more than often during those vandalism occurs. But vandalism is only due to a tiny group of either extremists or opportunists, while the vast majority cannot be reproached anything. - The Tea Party in the US has been pictured as an angry mob. - Union members have been presented as gangsters or equivalent - videos, more or less like yours, were used to "prove" it. To say it from my perspective, that argument is a syllogism of which each premise is a particular, at best a Celarent. It cannot and shouldn't be generalized. Even if it isn't the right thread to do it, I would also like to answer you specifically : - NYT - NATO warns Libyan rebels... - EUobserver - NATO frets over civilian casualties... - middle east online - NATO probes report of Libyan civilian deaths - CTVNews - NATO commander warns... Asking you to be cautious about it, as I didn't check all of those sites to see if they looked serious - from first glance I believe they are. It's mostly what I found about the coalition's position on the rebels and civilian casualties : they acknowledge civilian deaths by their strikes and they warn the rebels not to harm civilians. I won't enter the details, I just hope you can assume from this, possibly, that the coalition's position toward those rebels is more nuanced than you believe. Also, I could add that some people in Europe and the US do share your opinion on what the rebels are - just not for the same reasons.
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