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**cokLoolioli** · 03-03-2011, 03:19 PM

They paid 25% (of a total figure they had no hand in determining), which is infinitely more than the claimants would have otherwise received -- zero. So, they coughed up $1.5 billion. Big returns all around. Hell, Italy only coughed up $5 billion for 30 years of occupation. http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/inte...nial-rule.html

Were you critical of the deal at the time?

No, and I'm not critical of it now. I'm just showing that Bush was lenient with Libya. Being non-lenient would be the Bush administration saying "Screw your $1.5 billion, you owe us $6 Billion. Pay up now."

Yes, we do agree on the original question, but you seem to be pushing back against it into the territory of Republicans being pussies and Democrats being the badasses. I'm content to say it would have made no difference and likely would have been handled roughly the same by both. I did say in my first post, "If anything, Obama is the one speaking softly and carrying a big stick, while Bush was speaking loudly and carrying a big stick", which in the end, points to them both carrying a big stick. I also said, "They both used power along with diplomacy, depending on the situation" along with "In the real world, the two parties aren't all that dissimilar when it comes to foreign policy". Not sure how that's framing Republicans as pussies and Democrats as badasses. And yes, we agree, it makes no difference who the President is, the situation would have likely been handled similarly by both.

I'm not trying to say that either President is a pussy or a badass, I'm arguing against that by offering examples that run counter to those charges.

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cokLoolioli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 562 Senior Member	They paid 25% (of a total figure they had no hand in determining), which is infinitely more than the claimants would have otherwise received -- zero. So, they coughed up $1.5 billion. Big returns all around. Hell, Italy only coughed up $5 billion for 30 years of occupation. http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/inte...nial-rule.html Were you critical of the deal at the time? No, and I'm not critical of it now. I'm just showing that Bush was lenient with Libya. Being non-lenient would be the Bush administration saying "Screw your $1.5 billion, you owe us $6 Billion. Pay up now." Yes, we do agree on the original question, but you seem to be pushing back against it into the territory of Republicans being pussies and Democrats being the badasses. I'm content to say it would have made no difference and likely would have been handled roughly the same by both. I did say in my first post, "If anything, Obama is the one speaking softly and carrying a big stick, while Bush was speaking loudly and carrying a big stick", which in the end, points to them both carrying a big stick. I also said, "They both used power along with diplomacy, depending on the situation" along with "In the real world, the two parties aren't all that dissimilar when it comes to foreign policy". Not sure how that's framing Republicans as pussies and Democrats as badasses. And yes, we agree, it makes no difference who the President is, the situation would have likely been handled similarly by both. I'm not trying to say that either President is a pussy or a badass, I'm arguing against that by offering examples that run counter to those charges.
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