... Bush was much more lenient with Libya than Obama has been so far (and I did say that). I recognize that this is completely subject to change. And yes, I think it's necessary in this particular discussion, as the OP claimed that Obama throw out the "big stick", implying that Bush always held onto it tightly. That's not the case and I was attempting to show it. They're both willing to negotiate, they're both willing to project power. That's all I'm really getting at. If you feel I'm trying to put Bush in a negative light, I can't really help with that, because I think I've been rather fair.