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**emuffette** · 08-03-2011, 03:28 PM

In otherwords, go back to EXACTLY what we were doing the day Obama took office . . .

It's hardly exactly what was going on beforehand. Most of these detainees at issue have been at Gitmo since 2001 or 2002. Obama has been in office for a little over 2 years...this has been going on for almost 10. Hardly any trials before Obama were conducted due to foot dragging, an attempted kangaroo tribunal that the SCOTUS rejected as absurdly deficient from a due process standpoint and should never have been attempted, endless debates and bickering about how to handle them, etc.

. . . and he through everything into utter confusion and pointless delay to try to make good on his naive and ill-informed campaign rhetoric, which he has now had to abandon when faced with the reality of actually DOING something other than running his mouth.

Nah. What he attempted to do was bring the Gitmo situation to a proper conclusion.

Congress repeatedly blocked him because, as usual, they are packed with opportunistic demagogues who love fearmongering to a large ignorant pants-shitting large segment of the public who they know are ignorant, gullible and cowardly enough to fall for such tripe. Along with them are the usual cadre of spineless tag-a-long politicians who go with the flow of such things rather than properly rebut it out of fear of losing all the hosenscheisser votes and being demagogued upon for doing so.

For example, the nonsense that these people would be escaping from SuperMax prisons in full readiness to attack the US was a shameless lie and that a stupid cowardly enough segment of the public believed that shows once again just how retarded American politics can get. Heck, being in Gitmo is a bigger escape risk than a SuperMax and nobody is sweating the odds of that given they are negligible.

Where Obama was naive was thinking that Congress and the American public were honest, informed and responsible enough to not be that way. Repeatedly and once again, however, they prove not to be so.

. . . Obama made the change with clear reluctance, bowing to the reality that Congress' vehement opposition to trying detainees on U.S. soil leaves them nowhere else to go. The president emphasized his preference for trials in federal civilian courts, and his administration blamed congressional meddling for closing off that avenue. . . . Congress hardened its objections to trying detainees on U.S. soil by including language in legislation signed by Obama in January that would block the Defense Department from spending money to transfer Guantanamo prisoners to the U.S. for trial. . . . Obama restarts Guantanamo trials - Yahoo! News

Where he lost time was fighting that in the hopes that he could change this fact on this matter, and he should have just recognised that his efforts were futile once Congressional pandering and the public reaction showed what it would be.

That he tried to honour a campaign promise actually stands to his credit except in one fashion: IMO, the due process rights of these detainees must trump that if they are going to be unduly delayed. Once he should have recognised that they were not going to be allowed to be removed, he should have just moved on to trying them at Gitmo.

08-03-2011, 03:28 PM	#15
emuffette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	In otherwords, go back to EXACTLY what we were doing the day Obama took office . . . It's hardly exactly what was going on beforehand. Most of these detainees at issue have been at Gitmo since 2001 or 2002. Obama has been in office for a little over 2 years...this has been going on for almost 10. Hardly any trials before Obama were conducted due to foot dragging, an attempted kangaroo tribunal that the SCOTUS rejected as absurdly deficient from a due process standpoint and should never have been attempted, endless debates and bickering about how to handle them, etc. . . . and he through everything into utter confusion and pointless delay to try to make good on his naive and ill-informed campaign rhetoric, which he has now had to abandon when faced with the reality of actually DOING something other than running his mouth. Nah. What he attempted to do was bring the Gitmo situation to a proper conclusion. Congress repeatedly blocked him because, as usual, they are packed with opportunistic demagogues who love fearmongering to a large ignorant pants-shitting large segment of the public who they know are ignorant, gullible and cowardly enough to fall for such tripe. Along with them are the usual cadre of spineless tag-a-long politicians who go with the flow of such things rather than properly rebut it out of fear of losing all the hosenscheisser votes and being demagogued upon for doing so. For example, the nonsense that these people would be escaping from SuperMax prisons in full readiness to attack the US was a shameless lie and that a stupid cowardly enough segment of the public believed that shows once again just how retarded American politics can get. Heck, being in Gitmo is a bigger escape risk than a SuperMax and nobody is sweating the odds of that given they are negligible. Where Obama was naive was thinking that Congress and the American public were honest, informed and responsible enough to not be that way. Repeatedly and once again, however, they prove not to be so. . . . Obama made the change with clear reluctance, bowing to the reality that Congress' vehement opposition to trying detainees on U.S. soil leaves them nowhere else to go. The president emphasized his preference for trials in federal civilian courts, and his administration blamed congressional meddling for closing off that avenue. . . . Congress hardened its objections to trying detainees on U.S. soil by including language in legislation signed by Obama in January that would block the Defense Department from spending money to transfer Guantanamo prisoners to the U.S. for trial. . . . Obama restarts Guantanamo trials - Yahoo! News Where he lost time was fighting that in the hopes that he could change this fact on this matter, and he should have just recognised that his efforts were futile once Congressional pandering and the public reaction showed what it would be. That he tried to honour a campaign promise actually stands to his credit except in one fashion: IMO, the due process rights of these detainees must trump that if they are going to be unduly delayed. Once he should have recognised that they were not going to be allowed to be removed, he should have just moved on to trying them at Gitmo.
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