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**Cigarsstoreonline** · 03-03-2011, 04:14 PM

And i understand that people who have been there need to invent myths in order to pretend there is some deeper meaning that the "uninitiated" cannot understand. I'm sure it helps people cope with the ultimate stupidity of it all.

The reality is as i stated, people killing people senselessly - no great mystery. It is a rather ancient reality. I do not need to be part of it to understand what it is.

Myths? Bah, nevermind. I can see it just isn't going to be worth it.

Right. I'm just saying that people who have been should not expect those of us who have not to support or shrug off such senseless acts of cruelty. You should expect us to be angry about it.

Who said anything about supporting or shrugging off this incident? I sure as hell didn't. What I am saying is that it is, sadly, part of the reality of what is going on over there. No matter how hard we try to avoid incidents like this they are still bound to happen.

Not at all. I just don't really give a shit what "it is like" from that perspective. I want to know what is achieved, what the results are, and why i have to pay for what only appears to me as stupid and cruel. No matter what your experience is or those of your comrades it does not matter or change the reality of the situation - which is not good, not victorious, not glamorous, and not meaningful. It is pathetic.

So how does my experience, and that of my comrades, not reflect the reality of it? Sounds to me, Andrew, that you don't want to know anything, you don't want to hear anything. You want to go on believing what you do and will not let any amount of first hand experience or knowledge sway you.

03-03-2011, 04:14 PM	#26
Cigarsstoreonline Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 336 Senior Member	And i understand that people who have been there need to invent myths in order to pretend there is some deeper meaning that the "uninitiated" cannot understand. I'm sure it helps people cope with the ultimate stupidity of it all. The reality is as i stated, people killing people senselessly - no great mystery. It is a rather ancient reality. I do not need to be part of it to understand what it is. Myths? Bah, nevermind. I can see it just isn't going to be worth it. Right. I'm just saying that people who have been should not expect those of us who have not to support or shrug off such senseless acts of cruelty. You should expect us to be angry about it. Who said anything about supporting or shrugging off this incident? I sure as hell didn't. What I am saying is that it is, sadly, part of the reality of what is going on over there. No matter how hard we try to avoid incidents like this they are still bound to happen. Not at all. I just don't really give a shit what "it is like" from that perspective. I want to know what is achieved, what the results are, and why i have to pay for what only appears to me as stupid and cruel. No matter what your experience is or those of your comrades it does not matter or change the reality of the situation - which is not good, not victorious, not glamorous, and not meaningful. It is pathetic. So how does my experience, and that of my comrades, not reflect the reality of it? Sounds to me, Andrew, that you don't want to know anything, you don't want to hear anything. You want to go on believing what you do and will not let any amount of first hand experience or knowledge sway you.
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